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LuciC
Posts: 32
Posted:
Hi,

Recently in an open meeting, a homeowner was upset about his "friendly
reminder" letter. Not because of the issue but that the management company
has indicated to him that a Board member had lodged the complaint. Is this
ethical? Shouldn't the management company be more concerned about
rectifying the situation than who reported the matter?

Thank you.
Luci Crackau
BOD San Marcos Manor
MistiH (Texas)
Posts: 52
Posted:
Our MC letters simply state what needs to be fixed, mowed, etc. It doesn't state anything about origination of complaint at all. It appears that the MC is the complaining party.

Loving Life in Texas!
Misti
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
I don't necessarily think its unethical, but it obviously wasn't very smart. The first violation letter should always be written in a manner that tries to gain the cooperation of the owner in rectifying the problem. No names need to be mentioned.

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PaulM1 (New Jersey)
Posts: 2
Posted:
As a follow-up to this question, our HOA requires that all complaints be signed prior to a letter being sent to a resident. I can understand this if a complaint is a single evevnt that need to be witnessed but not if the violation is one that can be witnessed by the Community manager. For example, failing to pick up after a dog is an event that need to be witnessed and corroborated if an ADR hearing is held. Having a 72 statues on your property when only 24" is the maximum height, can be verified by the Community Manager. What is the prevailing practive in other communities? Must all complaints be signed before a violation is issued or can they be anonymous for items that can be corroborated by the comunity manager?

CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
My community is about 5 years old. My wife and I walk throughout our neighborhood daily. We see many violations. I will email the property manager. He then will drive out to the community to verify for himself. This is above a beyond what many other MCs will do. Then the letter will be mailed to out and the HO has x number of days to comply.
I was wondering, when the first violation letter is being sent out to the HO, does it have to say ā€œviolation letterā€ or can the first one say that this is a ā€œreminderā€ I like it that the MC is sending out the violation letters now. At our last meeting, the topic came up and even some of the current BOD had gotten violation letters. Because the property manager doesn't even know where the any of the board live. So there is no discrimination there. Can the ā€œreminder noticeā€ instead of violation letter have the same legal proceedings?

Thanks again all
Chuck W.


Charles E. Wafer Jr.
EdR (Texas)
Posts: 170
Posted:
When I was on the board, the MC (one inspection per month) made notes of a violation. The next month if violation was still present (except for building someting or a violation of sorts that required approval via a form), a letter was sent out--i.e., for junk sitting around, boat or RV, etc. in driveway. We asked them not to inspect on trash pick-up days because junk WOULD be sitting out. Now they inspect twice monthly. I'm not on the board any longer, and frankly, don't approve of two inspections per month as it appears to be to make extra money and not to expidite keeping neighborhood in compliance. I can't see that they are making any progress with the extra inspection, as there are actually more and serious violations. I do not like the idea of the MC telling a homeowner that a director complained. One of the reasons for having an MC is to buffer for the board so that there is nothing taken personally. Our MC knows where directors live as they drop off the board packets to their homes. Not that all MCs are like this, but ours is unscrupulous and have actually endangered directors by what they have said to HOs. In desperate cases, like our MC, they will find the person on the board who is as needy as they are and side with that person to get rid of another person who is asking them too many questions. That's why I'm not on the board. I was assaulted by an HO and he then he told sympathizing HOs that he'd gotten letters that I had called the MC to have sent to him. That wasn't true--he'd never gotten a letter--his exwife had, but it nothing to do with me, in fact they were from years before I was on the board. It was an awful mess. Bottomline, I believe that there are people out there who will do and say anything to try and get their way and to let you know that you can't tell them what to do with their property (of their spouse's property--which never had his name on the deed). I don't think just a reminder or warning letter works--most HOs know that something is a violation. After years of seeing these kinds of problems, I'm all for having an accountant and an outside independent inspector, if there is going to be a board, and not having a n MC.
EdR
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
In September 2006 a new Arizona law requires a first and last name to be signed on all violation letters.

There seems to be different opinions on how to handle this.

At the last board meeting our MC said they will "probably" do it this way.

If a homeowner calls in a violation complaint, the MC will inspect and sign their inspectors name.

If a board member calls in a violation complaint, the MC will not inspect, and will use the board members name.

Their reasoning is that they "know" that a board member would be giving them an honest report and they would not need to go out. Whereas they would "not know" if a non-board member was telling the truth or just being vendictive toward a neighbor.

The board objected based on the following:

There can be no descriminating between board members and non board members. The MC is in effect saying that non board members can not be trusted, and board members can. They can not know this. It is an unfair comment on non board members.

It is also an unfrair treatment of board members to use their names but not non board members names.

We feel it is the MC duty to inspect and use the inspectors name for all violations no matter who calls them in. This matter is unresolved at the moment.

How are other boards and MC's in Arizona going to be handling this new law?

Bill

CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
WilliamT,

What does this new law state exactly? I personally feel that if you are in violation of any of the CC&R or by-laws it shouldn’t matter who reported you. You probably knew you were in violation well before you receive the letter.
On the other hand, if you were consistently getting these violation letters for things that just were not true, then yeah I guess to know who it is that’s doing to reporting would be good. It may cause some hostility between neighbors though.

Keep us informed
Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Our policy on inspections and violations is to do inspections once a week. Ed, you said once a month but that means at least 2 months can occur, one before a violation is noted and another before an inspection to determine if correction is achieve.

We provide a warning letter advising there is a restriction prior to an official violation notice. This would add another month. Now suppose the violation is weeds or not mowing the lawn. It would be a jungle in Houston by then

Also, an owner can contact us about a violation and request anonymity. We also inspect and confirm a violation before sending a warning letter. Also, a digital photo is taken when the violation can be visually documented. If a Hearing is required our managing agent is the complaintant and the photo is the proof.

Incidently the purpose of the warning letter is to try to get correction without creating advisarial conditions. The second letter is labeled Violation Notice. It includes the violation, references the source document of the restriction, a time limit for correction, the owner's right to request a Hearing prior to being fined if they remain in violation, and refers them to their copy of the Rules and Regulations on Enforcement of Covenants and Rules for additional information.
EdR (Texas)
Posts: 170
Posted:
Yes, Roger. When I was on board, I didn't like the 60-day problem. For instance, if someone had a load of mulch delivered and it was there on day 1, we thought reasonable time to spread it was within a month, it might still be there in 60 days but the homeowners felt that was okay. The board was chastised for not thinking it was okay. It really doesn't make much difference in our assn. anymore what is right or wrong because our directors are involved in selectivity to friends and directors. I really have a hard time respecting the MC for putting up with them and vice versa. Every week inspection would be difficult for our assn. because it takes about 2-3 hours. At the same time, there have been building projects and forts built against the fences in sight from the street and there is nothing done to speed up the projects nor stop the violations. Because certain HOs have gotten special treatment they now totally disobey the rules--like we have an amendment to our restrictions prohibiting parking on the street all night, but one of the most prolific violaters now has two vehicles parked into the curb of a cul-de-sac, as though it is a parking lot, all times of night and day--this blatant disregard will not be cited, nor anything done about it, even though it's a nuisance to other traffic and to the school bus. Whenever ANYONE has complained about the MC, they've been threatened with a lawsuit. At the same time, I'm not sure it's all their fault. I think they and the board are complicit, protecting each other, and it's about favoritism. Again, your MC seems to be ethical--they all are not. This is not my imagination--the MC wanted me off the board because I insisted that our restrictions be enforced.
EdR
RyanE (Arizona)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Having a security company on site to record violations is a big plus. I run a local security company in AZ and with our daily logs and information we have brought to BOD's attention they have handled alot of issues.
With the new law that a name must be given alot of people stay quiet not wanting to "get involved". we have had a positive response from the residents.

Just my 2 cents

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