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SkuddleM (Colorado)
Posts: 62
Posted:
The following claim is made by the Grand View HOA in Grand Junction, CO:

*NOTE: THE GRAND VIEW HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IS EXEMPT FROM MOST OF THE PROVISIONS OF COLORADO COMMON INTEREST OWNERSHIP ACT (CCIOA) BECAUSE OUR DUES DO NOT EXCEED $300 PER LOT AND THERE IS A CLAUSE IN OUR DECLARATION THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES OUR EXEMPTION. ONLY C.R.S. SECTIONS 38-33.3-105, 106 AND 107 APPLY TO OUR ASSOCIATION.

During the recent election, several homeowners in that subdivision allegedly violated a CCR that prohibits the erection of any sign on a lot other than a "For Sale" sign, and the BOD began fining homeowners $15 a day for each violation.

Homeowners claim that CRS 38.33 prohibits associations from limiting the erection of less than two political signs or one sign per issue/office, and so a fight has begun.

As a board member of my subdivision (Spring Valley HOA)I will probably have to field this question at the annual membership meeting in January. How can I research the claim of exemption??
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Skuddle, Colorado statutes control over your HOA's Declaration. With regard to political signs CCIOA 38-33.3- 106.5 states:
"(c) (I) THE DISPLAY OF A POLITICAL SIGN BY A UNIT OWNER ON THAT
UNIT OWNER'S PROPERTY OR IN A WINDOW OF THE UNIT OWNER'S RESIDENCE;
EXCEPT THAT AN ASSOCIATION MAY PROHIBIT THE DISPLAY OF POLITICAL
SIGNS EARLIER THAN FORTY-FIVE DAYS BEFORE THE DAY OF AN ELECTION
AND LATER THAN SEVEN DAYS AFTER AN ELECTION DAY. AN ASSOCIATION
MAY REGULATE THE SIZE AND NUMBER OF POLITICAL SIGNS THAT MAY BE
PLACED ON A UNIT OWNER'S PROPERTY IF THE ASSOCIATION'S REGULATION
IS NO MORE RESTRICTIVE THAN ANY APPLICABLE CITY, TOWN, OR COUNTY
ORDINANCE THAT REGULATES THE SIZE AND NUMBER OF POLITICAL SIGNS ON
RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. IF THE CITY, TOWN, OR COUNTY IN WHICH THE
PROPERTY IS LOCATED DOES NOT REGULATE THE SIZE AND NUMBER OF
POLITICAL SIGNS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, THE ASSOCIATION SHALL
PERMIT AT LEAST ONE POLITICAL SIGN PER POLITICAL OFFICE OR BALLOT
ISSUE THAT IS CONTESTED IN A PENDING ELECTION, WITH THE MAXIMUM
DIMENSIONS OF THIRTY-SIX INCHES BY FORTY-EIGHT INCHES, ON A UNIT
OWNER'S PROPERTY.
(II) AS USED IN THIS PARAGRAPH (c), "POLITICAL SIGN" MEANS A SIGN
THAT CARRIES A MESSAGE INTENDED TO INFLUENCE THE OUTCOME OF AN
ELECTION, INCLUDING SUPPORTING OR OPPOSING THE ELECTION OF A
CANDIDATE, THE RECALL OF A PUBLIC OFFICIAL, OR THE PASSAGE OF A
BALLOT ISSUE."
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Skuddle, one additional comment. CCIOA only applies to those HOA's which fall under its jurisdiction. Such as most manditory associations except those with 10 or fewer units. You can go to the HindmanSanchez website to read the more on the amendments to CCIOA.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Roger:

Do HOAs in Colorado get to self-exempt? In other words, Skuddle said something about the association's documents claim an exemption from certain sections of the code, and they also claim that because their assessments are less than $300 per lot, or something to that effect.

Does Colordao law or statute allow for that? Or is it simply the NUMBER of lots in an HOA that exempts them?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SkuddleM on 12/22/2008 5:04 PM
The following claim is made by the Grand View HOA in Grand Junction, CO:

*NOTE: THE GRAND VIEW HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION IS EXEMPT FROM MOST OF THE PROVISIONS OF COLORADO COMMON INTEREST OWNERSHIP ACT (CCIOA) BECAUSE OUR DUES DO NOT EXCEED $300 PER LOT AND THERE IS A CLAUSE IN OUR DECLARATION THAT SPECIFICALLY STATES OUR EXEMPTION. ONLY C.R.S. SECTIONS 38-33.3-105, 106 AND 107 APPLY TO OUR ASSOCIATION.

During the recent election, several homeowners in that subdivision allegedly violated a CCR that prohibits the erection of any sign on a lot other than a "For Sale" sign, and the BOD began fining homeowners $15 a day for each violation.

Homeowners claim that CRS 38.33 prohibits associations from limiting the erection of less than two political signs or one sign per issue/office, and so a fight has begun.

As a board member of my subdivision (Spring Valley HOA)I will probably have to field this question at the annual membership meeting in January. How can I research the claim of exemption??

Skuddle,

We had a recent discussion on this group about the CO exemption to CCIOA. I seem to recall there was some discussion as to whether 38-33.3-106a applies or not. IMO, it does because I interpret it to be an addendum to 106. Best to have this determined by an attorney. At this point, it's a toss up as to whether or not the new law applies to your assn. I would suggest the board not send any more violation notices or fines until they know for sure whether or not the new law applies to an assn that is exempt from the CCIOA.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 12/23/2008 5:49 AM
Roger:

Do HOAs in Colorado get to self-exempt? In other words, Skuddle said something about the association's documents claim an exemption from certain sections of the code, and they also claim that because their assessments are less than $300 per lot, or something to that effect.

Does Colordao law or statute allow for that? Or is it simply the NUMBER of lots in an HOA that exempts them?

Michele,
Just speaking from memory without doing any research I do not think so. This would need to be confirmed by the association's attorney. Perhaps this CC&R is applicable if it was in effect before the law but I don't think so.
SkuddleM (Colorado)
Posts: 62
Posted:
I appreciate your feedback!

I believe buying a lot in the HOA in question mandates joining that HOA. That's how it is with my HOA, and I would be surprised if it is not that way with the Grand View HOA.

My HOA's old CCRs state "no signs" but of course that's negated by CRS 38-33.3. It wouldn't be a problem to change the CCRs to reflect recent State law, but it sure would be a problem to obtain the 280 signatures required to change them. Apathy is alive and well here.

It will be interesting to see how this situation progresses. My guess is that the HOA will drop the lawsuit.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
SkuddleM,
I may have jumped in the middle here, but it appears it doesn't make a difference to change your CCR's to reflect state law, not that you shouldn't given the chance. But I believe State Law trumps CCR's.
I wonder if you need to amend the CCR's through the membership. Shouldn't the Board make the change by virtue of meeting state requirements.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

Regarding CO state HOA laws, only those assn's that elect to be a part of the CCIOA, or whose CCRs state they are a part of it, are beholden to state HOA laws. The HOA in question is only required to abide by certain sections of the state law. It's questionable as to whether or not the assn must abide by the new law regarding political signs (the determination is best left to an attorney). The CCR amendment in question would be one to include the new statute if it's determined they are exempt from it.
SkuddleM (Colorado)
Posts: 62
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 12/23/2008 10:51 PM
SkuddleM,
I may have jumped in the middle here, but it appears it doesn't make a difference to change your CCR's to reflect state law, not that you shouldn't given the chance. But I believe State Law trumps CCR's.
I wonder if you need to amend the CCR's through the membership. Shouldn't the Board make the change by virtue of meeting state requirements.

Our CCRs state they can be amended only by approval of 75% of the membership.

That's another case where CRS 38-33.3 says otherwise. It states that only a 2/3rds approval is required.

I'm probably not stating this correctly, but CRS 38-33.3 has language to the effect that when a c,c, or r conflicts with the CRS, that specific CCR is simply rendered unenforceable.
SkuddleM (Colorado)
Posts: 62
Posted:
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Posted By MaryA1 on 12/24/2008 2:52 AM
Robert,

Regarding CO state HOA laws, only those assn's that elect to be a part of the CCIOA, or whose CCRs state they are a part of it, are beholden to state HOA laws. The HOA in question is only required to abide by certain sections of the state law. It's questionable as to whether or not the assn must abide by the new law regarding political signs (the determination is best left to an attorney). The CCR amendment in question would be one to include the new statute if it's determined they are exempt from it.

Partially right. In essence, if an association was formed after 1992 but before 1998, and if that association's Declaration restricts assessments to less than $300, then it is subject only to specific sections of CRS 38-33.3. The section of interest (106.5, which speaks to political signs) is not one of those sections.

The HOA in question was formed prior to 1998. I have requested a copy of its Declaration to confirm the assessment limitation. Looks like the HOA will prevail in this particular case.

You and all who have responded to my initial post have caused me to dig into the CRS and dig out what it really says. For that, I am really grateful and I want to thank the forum in general for its existance and its contributors!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
What ever your CCR's state is correct.

However, that only applies to rules that do not conflict with higher authority. State law trumps CCR's here in SC. A State Statute is a preety hefty piece of Law. A CCR simply regards the association.

In any event Skuddle, I am not a lawyer and that is just an opinion.

Reference your explanation of the requirements in the CRS stuff. I think you will find that anything the association wants to do that is more astringent than the CRS stuff, that is ok, they can not make it less astringent.

I knew I recognised the name "Skuddle", at least the sound.

scuttle: A pail or bucket for hauling coal. You may remember the old coal buckets that were galvinized and had a large pouring spout on one side or end.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 12/24/2008 6:08 AM

scuttle: A pail or bucket for hauling coal. You may remember the old coal buckets that were galvinized and had a large pouring spout on one side or end.


Or, what comes to my mind is to scuttle: to sink a ship by making holes in it (a purposeful action)
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SkuddleM on 12/24/2008 4:44 AM
Posted By RobertR1 on 12/23/2008 10:51 PM
SkuddleM,
I may have jumped in the middle here, but it appears it doesn't make a difference to change your CCR's to reflect state law, not that you shouldn't given the chance. But I believe State Law trumps CCR's.
I wonder if you need to amend the CCR's through the membership. Shouldn't the Board make the change by virtue of meeting state requirements.


Our CCRs state they can be amended only by approval of 75% of the membership.

That's another case where CRS 38-33.3 says otherwise. It states that only a 2/3rds approval is required.

I'm probably not stating this correctly, but CRS 38-33.3 has language to the effect that when a c,c, or r conflicts with the CRS, that specific CCR is simply rendered unenforceable.

Skuddle,

It's what is commonly referred to as "notwithstanding" language, i.e., "Notwithstanding any provision in the declaration, bylaws or other documents to the contrary. . ." This means no matter what the CCRs say, state law prevails. On the flip side, if the statutes says, "Unless otherwise provided in the community documents" it means the community docs prevail. THen there are the statutes that do not contain either clause in which case we err on the side of caution and go with the state statute.
SkuddleM (Colorado)
Posts: 62
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By RobertR1 on 12/24/2008 6:08 AM

I knew I recognised the name "Skuddle", at least the sound.

scuttle: A pail or bucket for hauling coal. You may remember the old coal buckets that were galvinized and had a large pouring spout on one side or end.


Actually, I took the name from the Uncle Wiggily books. One of the baddies therein was the "Skuddlemagoon"... (along with Skillery Scallery Alligator, Old Bazumpus, Skeezicks, Pipsisewa, et al). Google the name for an outstanding image...
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SkuddleM on 12/24/2008 9:59 AM

Actually, I took the name from the Uncle Wiggily books. One of the baddies therein was the "Skuddlemagoon"... (along with Skillery Scallery Alligator, Old Bazumpus, Skeezicks, Pipsisewa, et al). Google the name for an outstanding image...

Um, I did and the first hit that I got was from the "Urban Dictionary". I really don't think that was what you were after.

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