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JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Our revised ByLaws provide:

>>>Bylaw 3.2(a) is amended to state, in part: All books and records shall be kept in accordance with good and accepted accounting practices, and the same may be reviewed at least once a year by an independent accountant retained by the Executive Board who shall not be a resident of the Community or a Unit Owner at the discretion of the Executive Board or at the direction of a majority of the Unit Owners who shall be polled each year for their vote. The cost of such review shall be a Common Expense. This Amendment shall apply to fiscal years 2007 and forward.<<<

Our total handle (Income + Expenses) for 2008 will be $48,945.56. We will show a variance of +$3.55 (Income minus Expenses minus Cash on Hand) or less than 0.01% of the handle. The BOD, in our financial summary, will state we will not commission an audit but will also forward a ballot to Membership with which they can override our decision, requiring Yes votes from 11 of the remaining 18 households. The cost of an audit would be about 5% of our expected 2009 Income if commissioned. We became self-managed earlier this year and one of the BOD's hallmarks has been the elimination of unnecessary expenses resulting in lower dues while increasing services.

Q: Would you, as a BOD, just let the numbers speak for themselves, or would you lobby for a No Vote and/or a Don’t Bother Voting Vote?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
There's that word, "May" again - which means optional. There's really no mandatory teeth in your revised bylaw.

You have a small budget. You just may want to require an audit review every year, with a full audit at the Membership or board's request only.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Susan,

"May" replaced "Shall" from the original wording, and the Membership vote wording was added. The Amended ByLaw is meant to make the audit optional rather than mandatory.

$1,000 to discover why there's a $3.55 variance in our numbers is not what we, the BOD, consider a wise use of our limited funds.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Well, if that "may" is enforced annually,(and the membership or board could do just that) you will be stuck with that large bill again.

Your revision says that an accountant is the only one that can do this service. Lessen up on the "accountant" only requirement.

JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Perhaps I haven't been clear with my original Q, so let me try again.

1. The BOD does not want to spend $1K for an audit.
2. The BOD doesn't want Membership to override our decision to spend $1K for an audit.

So,

3. Should the BOD just let Membership figure out an audit is not worth the expense, or should the BOD lobby Membership to also reject an audit?
PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
If your BOD is managing the community, doesn't it also make decisions? If the BOD does not want to spend money for an audit, why would they put it up for the residents to vote.

Just skip the audit if that is the BOD consensus.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Peter,

We added the optional override for trasparency purposes. As you might be aware (if from no other source than HOATalk), many non-BOD Members (and for that matter, a number of BOD Members) often raise suspicions concerning BODs dealing with money.

Hmmm. Having said that, maybe I just answered my own question! Though our stated reason for no audit is that it'd be a waste of funds, and that we're only $3+change off in our accounting, prompting Membership to vote No might raise a red flag? Get them thinking: "What did those crooks do with that $3.55?"
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
John - require an annual audit review (FREE, with by board appointed group) UNLESS the board or the membership votes for a full audit (which will cost $1,000's)

JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 12/22/2008 11:03 AM
John - require an annual audit review (FREE, with by board appointed group) UNLESS the board or the membership votes for a full audit (which will cost $1,000's)


Susan,

It took us (the BOD) MONTHS, finally having to go door-to-door, to get this ByLaw amended. Enough for us, thanks.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
John,

Let me go ahead and voice my opinion (and reasoning). I would not mount a lobby effort. If I were a resident, lobbying by the BOD would make me more likely to vote for an audit. But a simple reasoning would work wonders. This is especially true in light of you just having worked to get the audit made optional.

I would simply lay it all out:
  • An audit will cost about $1000.

  • That will work out to be about $55 per house.

  • Any resident is welcome to look over the books to see if anything is amiss.

  • Now having said that, keep in mind that the expense would amount to 2% of the annual budget.

    If they ask questions you could also let them know that an audit does not promise that the money was spent in a manner that the membership would approve of. It looks over for expenses were in line with budget or approved by the BOD.

    Quite honestly, I would listen to any opposition that would come up. But if the amendment to make the audit optional just passed, then it is not likely that the membership would feel a need for an audit.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
John,
Think about this.
At your annual meeting put "review of Audit requirements" on Agenda.
When subject comes up and assumuming your BOD, like most other Boards have enough proxies assigned to carry the vote, get a motion to have a Review instead of an audit. Explain what you just explained abour your finances. If you get any problem, out vote them.
Probably after a few years this will all be an automatic ritual you follow. However the Board should be very much aware if there is any question of what is going on and if there is then vote to have an audit.

I would believe a called vote of the membership at an Annual Meeting would meet the criteria in your documents.

But I think I just heard some tiny hoofs on my roof, time to jump in bed and cover up my head.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Kirk,

I'm in agreement there will be no lobbying, and that letting the numbers speak for themselves is the way to go. Plus, I especially like your third bullet, which will be added to the package. Thanx.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
If they are still unsure, you could (carefully) point out that an audit does not show if the money has been spent in a manner in which the membership would approve. For instance, say the BOD decided that they would hold their meetings at a steak house each month. And further, that the HOA purchased an expensive dinner for each member of the BOD as said meeting. Would an audit say anything?

Not if the BOD passed a motion and put the expense down properly.

The biggest thing an audit will verify is that the numbers you give them are accurate numbers. But for that matter, it occurs to me that I have only seen one of the audits done in my association's history.

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