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JeanS1 (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:

We are a 36 unit building. We have had a problem with leaking and bursting pipes. The board presented a proposal for a special assessment to do this work and also paint and recarpet the floors in our 3-story building. (Yes, we had the customary 3 bids.

A couple of months ago the association members were asked to approve an assessment for re-piping our building, painting, and re-carpeting. The board held two meetings which were very poorly attended.

The secret ballot vote was 15 to 6 for approval However, ballots were not receive from 15 units.

Now a group of 12 have signed a letter stating they want a special meeting and re-vote on the assessment.

Can this be done? Must we have as re-vote? Has this happened to any of you?

Jean Strauber
Encino CA

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Jean - describe the voting procedure for the first vote.

Did you have a legal meeting, i.e. a quorum?

Was it announced to the Members that there would be a vote taken at this meeting?

(Motions can be recinded, but that also has to follow procedures)

More info is needed.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
SPECIAL ASSESSMENT 5% LIMITATION

Boards are allowed to special assess the membership up to 5% of the current year's budgeted gross expenses without membership approval regardless of any limitations that might be found in the governing documents. Civil Code ยง1366(b)
How Determined. If an association's annual budget is $100,000, then the maximum special assessment the board can impose without membership approval is $5,000. That does not mean $5,000 per unit. The $5,000 assessment is divided among all units according to the allocation schedule contained in the CC&Rs.

Membership Approval. For special assessments over 5%, boards must seek membership approval by secret ballot using Election Rules adopted by the association. For purposes of a special assessment, the statute defines "quorum" to mean more than 50 percent of the owners of an association. The governing documents of an association cannot increase or decrease the approval requirements for membership approval. Any such changes are voided by Civil Code ยง1366(b)

Updated by ADAMS KESSLER 6/12/2008

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JeanS1 (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Hi Glen,

Yes, everything was done "according to Hoyle." We had two meetings-one to explain the assessment and the 2nd was another explanation and to count the ballots. Very few people attended the first meeting and even fewer (only three besides the board) bothered to show up for the second meeting.
As I stated, only 21 ballots were received. 15 for 6 againts. Now, some of those who didn't vote (and some who did) want to have another meeting ande have another vote taken.

Jean Strauber
JeanS1 (California)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Hi Glen,

Yes, everything was done "according to Hoyle." We had two meetings-one to explain the assessment and the 2nd was another explanation and to count the ballots. Very few people attended the first meeting and even fewer (only three besides the board) bothered to show up for the second meeting.
As I stated, only 21 ballots were received. 15 for 6 againts. Now, some of those who didn't vote (and some who did) want to have another meeting ande have another vote taken.

Jean Strauber
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
It looks like the motion passed.

The motion can be recinded IF the work has not been started - or if the Board can get out of any contracts signed.

If so, Members can call a Special Meeting of the Members and hold a vote on a motion to recind the previous motion.

Be sure to follow ALL procedures for calling a Special Meeting AND for Notice of a Vote.
JimH5 (Indiana)
Posts: 17
Posted:
Does anyone know if there are similar laws in Indiana? Our board is wanting to do a special assessment in the amount of approx. $14,000.00 divided among 36 units. This would be to take care of "one time" expenses. They don't want to increase the dues.

Jim
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeanS1 on 12/17/2008 8:08 AM
Hi Glen,

Yes, everything was done "according to Hoyle." We had two meetings-one to explain the assessment and the 2nd was another explanation and to count the ballots. Very few people attended the first meeting and even fewer (only three besides the board) bothered to show up for the second meeting.
As I stated, only 21 ballots were received. 15 for 6 againts. Now, some of those who didn't vote (and some who did) want to have another meeting ande have another vote taken.

Jean Strauber

Jean I'm not an attorney and it would be wise to run your question by the HOA's attorney but in my reading of the topics on (http://www.davis-stirling.com) I can find nothing on repealing special assessments once they have been approved in a legal meeting. But as Susan noted, I can see nothing that says the H/O cannot call a meeting to repeal it.

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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jean,

So now that the vote didn't turn out the way these 12 thought it would, they are "demanding" another meeting and another vote. I'd tell them "no way". The meeting was conducted properly, there was a quorum and there is no reason to vote again. Perhaps in the future ALL the members will see the importance of casting a vote, especially for a special assessment. If the board caves in to the demands of these 12 members, who's to say they won't keep demanding another vote until the outcome is acceptable to them?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I'm surprised about these numbers. I'd think that something that important would have gotten out the vote.

Those 12 better have a REAL good reason to move forward on any recinding of the motion.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
The answer to this lies in your documents. Look to see what they say about membership petitioning for a special meeting. In many cases the membership can call a special meeting with a petition signed by 10% of the membership.

You will have to look at your documents though to see if they can indeed force another meeting.

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