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AS1 (Maryland)
Posts: 4
Posted:
Our managing agent presented our proposed budget for 2009. The agent insist on adding a line item for “Doubtful Debt”. I research previous budgets and other HOA's and found nothing about Doubtful Debt. My personal accountant said it should go on a Balance Sheet and not projected budget. Is this factual?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Sounds like the manager wants to PRE-determine a "loss" of revenue (uncollectable, foreclosures, leins?) and wants to cushion the budget.

I don't think it should show on the budget; you don't know what this figure is, yet. I also think that there should be lots of re-visiting of the budget in the coming year to adjust for the bad economy.

I'd listen to the CPA on this one.
PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
We have an item in our budget for"Unpaid Dues Allowance". If some number of people fail to pay dues, where is the money going to come from to meet expenses? Would you like a special assessment part way thru the year.

Our CPA thinks this Allowance is a good idea!
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
We have an Unknown/Under-Funded line in our Budget. About 5% of the total, with notations as to what (we guess) it might be used for during the year. Uncollected/Non-Paid dues is not on our event horizon, but having a cushion can't hurt.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Forgot to mention:

We also include a few items that we don't expect to have to fund, with notations as to where that positive cash will (probably) go. For instance, we have an Audit line of $1K. We only conduct an Audit if the Board or a majority of Membership requests one. Right now, we're showing an exactly $4.00 variance in our Income/Expenses for 2008 on a handle of about $45K so the BOD will not request an Audit, and knowing our Membership, neither will they. Therefore, we've pegged that $1K to (most likely) offset the $1K we're carrying over from Cash on Hand to make 2009 Expenses = Expected Income.

Returning to the OP, all Budgets are hopefully intelligent guesses at what to plan for. If it's doubtful a debt will be collected, planning for that is appropriate.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
AS,

I think that line item should be titled "Bad Debts". With so many homes in foreclosure, many HOAs are having to write-off unpaid assessments as bad debts. This may be what your PM had in mind when inserting this line item. You can determine an amount by looking at your delinquent assessment accounts and estimating which ones may fall into the bad debt category.
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
Posted:
There is a difference between uncollected dues and/or assessments and uncollectible ones. Uncollected dues remain on the balance sheet as accounts receivable. Uncollectible dues (no longer covered by lien) must be written off accounts receivable as Bad Debt Expense. In my view, the budget should include the best estimate of the Bad Debt Expense, even though the intent is to collect all dues and assessments.

Part of the difficulty in handling uncollected and uncollectible dues and assessments is the tendency to book dues income as the total amount billed, rather than the total amount actually collected. See discussion concerning Accounting for Deferred Revenue for some ideas. Other comments are welcome.

Unfortunately the questions of how to handle uncollected and uncollectible dues is that the applicable accounting standard, the AICPA Audit & Accounting Guide for Common Interest Realty Associations, does not provide guidance.

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Don't know if this always applies, but I can say that every auditor in our history has looked for a line item for bad/noncollectable accounts receivable. It should be based in part upon the collection history of your organization. If you historically have had to write off 10% of your receivable income, then you need to plan on that next year.

It is not unreasonable to try and estimate how much you will have to write off next year. If you are just starting out of course it will be a wild guess. But if you have any historical records you can use them. You might bump the figure up some if you have noticed a upward trend with the recent financial pressures. I personally think it better to tell people what you really expect to need them to pay then to know ahead that you will likely have to hit them with an additional assessment because you can't make ends meet otherwise.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
My comment is that way too many boards try to finesse the budget figures for a whole bunch of reasons. To put on a good face is certainly one reason that gets a lot of play.

Would anyone agree it is far better to show budget item that reveal information than to show budget items to hide information.

As a rule.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By RobertR1 on 12/10/2008 12:03 AM

Would anyone agree it is far better to show budget item that reveal information than to show budget items to hide information.

As a rule.


Of course it is, in fact every H/O that attends the monthly Board meeting is given a listing of all accounts on deposit, the monthly income and expense vs. YTD and a listing of all delinquencies with the personal identification redacted.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
In our Updates (emailed to Membership every 6-8 weeks, generally), we attach a detailed breakdown of ALL Expenses and Income for the year to the date of the mailing.

It's easy. It's cheap. Does Membership read the breakdown? I'd guess most don't. But at least they've been informed.
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
Dear as1 do not let your mc do your budget force them to use tops and have the bod do the budget. They are your employees not the other way around do not be pushed around never ever forget or let the MC forget who is in what position.

On ours we label it OWNER BAD DEBT PERIOD. FOR THE PAST 20+ YEARS
JohnM3 (Florida)
Posts: 288
Posted:
Sorry forgot to add our budget is 345000 a year we do a complete audit every other year the in between the auditing firm ( AMERICAN EXPRESS )does a follow up on the budget versus actual spent that is the beauty of USING the TOPS SOFTWARE as the basis for building your budget. This year we are doing a re-adjustment of the budget do to an increase of 10 dollars per member per month.

We do not write off unpaid assessments we go after the owner and the bank both before they meet the state instituted cap of 1percent of the home value when our members get 2 months behind they go to LIENCO who adds 1500 on top of what they owe. They have software that tells them when a bank is going to foreclose on a account or member and we lien with 60 days of the account going to LIENCO the first 30 days is state law required. Yes I have foreclosures so far we have 24 out of 307 homes

95 percent of the banks have paid or we foreclose on the house and take possession and have a auction for the sale of the home................its really that simple you either wake up and run your HOA like a business or you will have special assessments every year in the 21 years we have had a total of ZERO SPECIAL ASSESSMENTS PERIOD. we have a 12 percent unpaid balance onall yearly assessments paid monthly. If you stay under 15 percent accounts recieveable most Banks will float you a loan thru the tough times.
AB3 (Arizona)
Posts: 44
Posted:
Realistically, nobody can expect to get all the money billed in the current year. If your budget has one line for dues income it isn't giving anyone the whole picture. How would you determine the total past due amount owed to the community? Not who owes what just the dollar amount due.

You have to remember that your reports are only covering one month from the 1st to the last day of the month in the current year. If they aren't run to show the total past dues from inception to the last day of the month. A report showing only the 30 or 31 days will only show you those who are late for the current month. But, if they are run from inception to current then you will get every penny owed and not paid. Meaning you could have a huge past due balance that needs addressing. With foreclosures being so high there are going to be past dues that slip through the cracks and debts written off.

Using a single line to budget for current year dues collected means the difference between your budget and collected should be the total past due for the year. But, previous years past dues plus the current years dues are added together on a single line. Making the variance between the collected amount and budgeted amount mean nothing.

Using the amount past due as of 12/21/?? as a line item and the current years dues as a line item and a line for bad debt write offs or forgiven debts. It makes it clear to the reader that X dollars were past due from the previous year and X dollars of it was collected and X dollars were written off. And the current years dues that are past dues equals X dollars. It allows owners to easily ID this information without asking. Plus, it is an indicator of the job the board and managment company are doing. If the write offs are high then owners should questions why. If the past dues are excessive then the collections policy needs to be reviewed and management company reviewed.

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