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MikeF4 (Texas)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Our HOA has been controlled by the homeowners since the last of the builders people cycled off the board about 18 months ago. I have been on the board for 6 months (3 year board terms, staggered years so the current president has been on for 2 1/2 years, VP 1 1/2 years, me as treasurer 6 months) and until recently the board has been very inactive. We have a management company that has sort of run things as profitably for them as they legally could while the board ignored them let it all go.

Anyway, Im trying to get things working again and take control back from the management firm in preparation for firing them when our contract expires next December.

Our Articles of Incorporation still show an employee for the builder as our registered agent and Im guessing thats not how its supposed to be. I want to change our registered agent over to someone who is still involved with the community, but I dont want to use our property manager because we are firing them as soon as we can (12 months at most).

Can the registered agent be a board member or does it have to be someone independent of the board? What do I have to do to change that information?

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JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Mike,

You can probably choose any person or entity as a Registered Agent. You probably would have to file a change with the State, and possibly with lesser gov't operations such as a County or Municipality. Check your docs, probably CCRs, as to where they were initially filed.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
The registered agent is the person to whom official notices (esp government notices) are delivered. The agent usually is registered with the secretary of state. If a court issues a summons to the HOA, for example, it is delivered to the registered agent.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
In Michigan, we just have to contact the Dept. that handles corporations. Ask for the correct form, usually a change to the Annual Report filed with the state.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
For Michigan, that's the Dept. of Labor and Economic Growth.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
I also have a question about registered agents. In FL HOAs file an annual report with the state no later than April, every year. It shows any change in names to the BOD. The owner of our property mgmt. co is our RA, and she filed the mandatory report this past April with names of current board members. She literally took this information at face value since Minutes of annual meetings are non existent. Would you say our registered agent failed to do proper due diligence ????
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susanna,
I am not sure I understand what you are saying. The HOA annual report, I don't believe, has anything to do with being a Registered Agent. I don't bel;ieve the resistered agent needs to file such reports.

Maybe it might help to mention our Registered Agent is supposed to be our Secretary. One of the reasons is that if any Legal Papers have to be filed against the Association they must be filed with the (Registered Agent) Secretary. This enables the Secretary to make the Official Notice to the Board and begin a Record of what transpires. It appears to me that the Management Company could very well be one group that may want to bring Legal Proceedings against the Association.

I also believe BOD must, in order to fullfil their mandate to provide Fiduciary responsibility, never assign all functions over to the MC, or Manager, if that be the case.

Is there some covenant or Law that provides duties of the registered agent, I don't know. But the specific above is in our covenants I believe.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
Robert, here in FL is not unusual for the PM or head of the prop. mgmt. co to be the registered agent for the corporation (HOA), and annual reports must be filed each year with the state. Board members come and go but HOAs don't keep switching property mgmt. companies.

All corps. in FL must file every year, whether C corps, S corps, or Not-for profit. I had an S corp at one time and did just that plus paid a fee. If you don't pay the fee, the state considers your corp. inactive. I don't think Not-for-profits pay the annual fee. In addition to updating the names of officers you can also change the name of registered agent when filing, which is what happened with our HOA since this particular prop. mgmt. co. took over in May.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Susanna,
The corp renewal fee is $70.00 this year. We use the President of the Board as the Registered Agent because that office is a 2 year term. Filing a renewal each year makes it convenient to keep a current Agents name updated because you are filing for the corp anyhow.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susanna,
I agree there may have to be a filing each year. I do believe I read recently that non-corps in SC are not required to file each year and I don't believe there is a charge involved, but I could be off on this. I do not recall reading anything in our documents stating that the registered agent has to be the one to file. Our manager usually files I believe. But our docs say Board Secretary is the Agent for reasons stated. You have to admit the relationship between the association and a M/C can be difficult and court case evolve. If your HOA wanted to sue the M/C, who in the M/C would receive the filing? If the M/C wanted to sue to HOA who would receive the filing.

Also I am not sure how specific all this has to be followed, but our docs say Secretary is automaticaly the one to receive papers. And since in our history we would not be likely to have added this clause as it was never registered in the court house as an amendment, I would assume it came over in transition.
SusannaM (Florida)
Posts: 366
Posted:
It makes sense to me to have one board member as registered agent but until things improve in my community, I wouldn't suggest otherwise. What is not clear to me is the implications if and when a lawsuit is filed. It's my understanding the HOA through our M/C has an attorney on a retainer basis.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Mike,

One of the issues you mentioned in your OP was:

>>>Anyway, Im trying to get things working again and take control back from the management firm in preparation for firing them when our contract expires next December.<<<

Have you seen the contract? Often, these contain an opt-out clause. Ours with our former PM called for 90 days notice.
MikeF4 (Texas)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Yes, I had the management firm give me a copy. I even took that to our attorney looking for an out. Basically he told me we could send written notice to the management company if they violate a portion of the contract but then they have 30 days to correct that violation before it becomes a breach, and there is no early out in there. The contract was signed when the builder was still on the board, the then president and a builder rep signed it and neither seemed to care that the contract is very expensive and doesnt really give us a lot.

Oh well, I am looking at it as the extra year gives me time to get all of our stuff in order so its an easy transition to our new PM. =)


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RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mife,
I think you have reached the right desision, build your support in the coming year little by little and make ready to be running when you do take over next year.
I can't argue with your lawyers advice so accepting what he says and no malice toward him, if he is a holdover from the developer give him an evaluation also. Jus good business. Keep in touch here I am sure you are going to have some mountains to climb in the next year, it will be hard but worth the effort.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Susanna,
I have been thinking a little on this and trying to recall the information on the on-line Business filing. I spent a little time trying to trace down who owned a company on time and if I recall now, a lot of the information requested on the submitted filing may not be the same as what is on the on-line filing. I seem to recall some companies are open in what they post and some just bare bones and you may end up with a RA that is just the address of a Lawyer firm.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Mike,

Have you checked TX HOA statutes? Sometimes there is a law allowing the HOA to terminate a contract, with no penalty, if that contract was negotiated by the developer. Also, this provision is sometimes contained in the assn gov. docs.
MikeF4 (Texas)
Posts: 26
Posted:
I know that provision is not in our governing docs, I would have been all over that. =)

I will check with our attorney to see if its in Texas law anywhere, but I would hope he would have mentioned that last time we spoke if it is. I made it pretty clear to him that I was looking for a way to fire the MC. =)

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EverettC1 (Maryland)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Mike,
I am not sure that you received a complete answer to your questions, so here is my take:

1. The Articles of Incorporation specify the initial registered agent - it may or may not have been changed since then.

2. In any event, the Board should appoint its own registered agent, to make sure that it gets notice of any lawsuits ot official notices that may be served on the registered agent. (The prior agent may not pass on any lawsuits ro notices that he/she may receive, especially if the plaintiff ifs the developer).

3. Any person or entity authorized to do business in Texas can be appointed to serve as RA. If the new Board has retained an attorney, it may be that attorney, it may be a board member or you can employ a professional registered agent service - search for Texas registereda agent services, or the like. (I found several that wcharge in the range of $50 - $100 a year). An attorney will likely charge more. If you choose a board member, you need to remember to change the RA if that person no longer serves on the board.

4. The Board must adopt a resolution changing the RA.

5. The HOA would then sign a form changing the RA and file it with the Txeas Secretary of State The form can be downloaded from http://www.sos.state.tx.us/corp/forms.shtml. There is a filing fee of $5 if the HOA is a non-profit corporation, or $15 if not.

Hope that helps.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Everett, You sound like you know your Texas Law and posting from Maryland sorts of makes you an expert. Know anything about SC law?
Our RA are supposed to be listed and current on the Business filing with the state. I just wonder , do they really serve a purpose and is there some kind of agency that insures things are current and up to date. I don't even know when they serve a function and what is that function other than some kind of contact person. I do know that a lot of LLC and the like are not listing Members of the Board or company owners, etc as RA.
Explain a little about RA is HOA's in SC or in general. Thanks.
AnneH2 (Florida)
Posts: 82
Posted:
I'm in Florida and am of the opinion that, in these times especially, the registered agent should be the association's attorney and NOT the management company. We haven't had anything delivered to our registered agent that hasn't required forwarding to our attorney and have learned the hard way that time is of the essence in dealing with issues that have been sent to our registered agent.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Anne, we learned the hard way on that as well.

We tried using a board member, generally the president, but that changes and sometimes the change of registered agent can fall through the cracks.

We now have our association attorney as the Registered Agent.

It costs nothing for him to receive service and it saves us the step of forwarding him all the material that gets served on the registered agent, as well.

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