HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
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Posted:
Ok, I need to find a picture of someone beating a dead horse as that is ME!!!
But, I'm still not satisfied. I received an email back from our current lawyer that specializes in Estate Planning and Wills. I'm still waiting for the lawyer that specializes in HOA to respond but since it's a free consult, I'm thinking it could take awhile. Anyhow, our current lawyer states that:
"Section 24 allows for fines. Technically any homeowner in an HOA can sue another homeowner for violation. However, this could turn into a legal nightmare – thus the creation of HOA’s. HOA’s still do not take away the right of the homeowner to sue another homeowner, it just allows for other avenues to fix a violation without litigation. Fines are definitely allowed under paragraph 24. The assessment of fines could be laid out more clearly, but the fines are covered under this paragraph. The problem with getting very technical in the assessment of fines is if they change over time, then you have to do an amendment, which could be viewed by all parties as an administrative nightmare. This is why some by-laws and C&R are very vague – so they can be construed to the HOA side. This is a commonly seen issue with HOAs."
Here's section 24:
""24. If any person shall violate or attempt to violate any of the covenants herein set forth, it shall be lawful for any other person or persons owning or having an interest in any portion of said subdivision to institute and prosecute any proceeding in law or equity against such person or persons to restrain such violation or to recover damages or other compensation for such violations. In the event of such proceedings between any property owners affected by these covenants, the prevailing party as determined by the results of the litigation shall be entitled to an award of attorney fees and costs associated with such litigation. This provision specifically includes enforcement of unpaid Association assessments."
But, SC law reads in regards to assessing fines:
"Section 27-30-580. Unless a specific procedure for the imposition of fines or suspension of planned community privileges or services is provided for in the declaration, a hearing must be held before an adjudicatory panel appointed by the executive board to determine if any lot owner must be fined or if planned community privileges or services must be suspended pursuant to the powers granted to the association in Section 27-30-520(4) and (12). If the executive board fails to appoint an adjudicatory panel to hear such matters, hearings under this section must be held before the executive board. The lot owner charged must be given notice of the charge, opportunity to be heard and to present evidence, and notice of the decision. If it is decided that a fine must be imposed, a fine not to exceed one hundred fifty dollars may be imposed for the violation and without further hearing, for each day after the decision that the violation occurs. These fines are assessments secured by liens under Section 27-30-670. If it is decided that a suspension of planned community privileges or services should be imposed, the suspension may be continued without further hearing until the violation or delinquency is cured."
So, my questions:
1. Is my current lawyer correct in that section 24 allows for fines? It sure is vague. I guess the sentence "other compensation for such violations" covers it all.
2. If SC law requires a hearing (assuming I am reading that correctly), does that mean we have to do a hearing before we deliver fine letters? It says the hearing could be in front of the executive board. I've never heard mention of a hearing at our HOA meetings (board or members).
"Section 24 allows for fines. Technically any homeowner in an HOA can sue another homeowner for violation. However, this could turn into a legal nightmare – thus the creation of HOA’s. HOA’s still do not take away the right of the homeowner to sue another homeowner, it just allows for other avenues to fix a violation without litigation. Fines are definitely allowed under paragraph 24. The assessment of fines could be laid out more clearly, but the fines are covered under this paragraph. The problem with getting very technical in the assessment of fines is if they change over time, then you have to do an amendment, which could be viewed by all parties as an administrative nightmare. This is why some by-laws and C&R are very vague – so they can be construed to the HOA side. This is a commonly seen issue with HOAs."
Here's section 24:
""24. If any person shall violate or attempt to violate any of the covenants herein set forth, it shall be lawful for any other person or persons owning or having an interest in any portion of said subdivision to institute and prosecute any proceeding in law or equity against such person or persons to restrain such violation or to recover damages or other compensation for such violations. In the event of such proceedings between any property owners affected by these covenants, the prevailing party as determined by the results of the litigation shall be entitled to an award of attorney fees and costs associated with such litigation. This provision specifically includes enforcement of unpaid Association assessments."
But, SC law reads in regards to assessing fines:
"Section 27-30-580. Unless a specific procedure for the imposition of fines or suspension of planned community privileges or services is provided for in the declaration, a hearing must be held before an adjudicatory panel appointed by the executive board to determine if any lot owner must be fined or if planned community privileges or services must be suspended pursuant to the powers granted to the association in Section 27-30-520(4) and (12). If the executive board fails to appoint an adjudicatory panel to hear such matters, hearings under this section must be held before the executive board. The lot owner charged must be given notice of the charge, opportunity to be heard and to present evidence, and notice of the decision. If it is decided that a fine must be imposed, a fine not to exceed one hundred fifty dollars may be imposed for the violation and without further hearing, for each day after the decision that the violation occurs. These fines are assessments secured by liens under Section 27-30-670. If it is decided that a suspension of planned community privileges or services should be imposed, the suspension may be continued without further hearing until the violation or delinquency is cured."
So, my questions:
1. Is my current lawyer correct in that section 24 allows for fines? It sure is vague. I guess the sentence "other compensation for such violations" covers it all.
2. If SC law requires a hearing (assuming I am reading that correctly), does that mean we have to do a hearing before we deliver fine letters? It says the hearing could be in front of the executive board. I've never heard mention of a hearing at our HOA meetings (board or members).