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HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 89
Posted:
Another question and sorry I have so many!!!

This year, we have over $2400 in the checkbook that will not be spent or allocated in any way. Should this money be accounted for in some way? I know we can legally have it, but should it be put into the 2009 operating budget or maybe be put into reserve (or some of each)? I just for some reason thought each dollar in the checkbook had to be accounted/budgeted for something but I'm not sure. And I know $2400 doesn't sound like much, but our budget is only $10,000 so that would correlate to an amount of 24% of our budget being unassigned.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Posted By HeatherJ1 on 11/17/2008 7:52 AM
Another question and sorry I have so many!!!

This year, we have over $2400 in the checkbook that will not be spent or allocated in any way. Should this money be accounted for in some way? I know we can legally have it, but should it be put into the 2009 operating budget or maybe be put into reserve (or some of each)? I just for some reason thought each dollar in the checkbook had to be accounted/budgeted for something but I'm not sure. And I know $2400 doesn't sound like much, but our budget is only $10,000 so that would correlate to an amount of 24% of our budget being unassigned.
You need to carefully consider the IRS Revenue Ruling 70-604 before you make a decision. If you are not careful, the carryover may be subject to federal corporate income tax. The IRS states the following:
    Excess assessments by a condominium management corporation, over and above the amounts used for the operation of condominium property, that are returned to the stockholder-owners or applied to the following year's assessments are not taxable income to the corporation.

    Full Text. A condominium management corporation assesses its stockholder-owners for the purposes of managing, operating, maintaining, and replacing the common elements of the condominium property. This is the sole activity of the corporation and its by-laws do not authorize it to engage in any other activity.

    A meeting is held each year by the stockholder-owners of the corporation, at which they decide what is to be done with any excess assessments not actually used for the purposes described above, i.e., they decide either to return the excess to themselves or to have the excess applied against the following year's assessments.

    Held, the excess assessments for the taxable year over and above the actual expenses paid or incurred for the purposes described above are not taxable income to the corporation, since such excess, in effect, has been returned to the stockholder-owners.


I urge you to consult with an individual who has up to date knowledge of IRS regulations before you make a decision.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
You also would be well advised to consider the consequences of IRS Revenue Ruling 75-371 which states in part:
    With respect to regular assessments, section 61 of the Code defines gross income as all income, from whatever source derived, except as otherwise provided by law. Funds collected by a nonexempt organization by means of assessments for the purpose of normal operating expenses are taxable as ordinary income under section 61.Any funds accumulated as contingency reserves are also includible in the organization's gross income because the Internal Revenue Code does not provide for such accumulations without tax consequences.


Again, seeking competent tax advice is really important.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Heather,

The checkbook balance most likely is an accumulation of monies left over from prior years and perhaps a certain amount of prepaid assessments. There is nothing wrong with the assn maintaining a small "cushion" in the checkbook. The anticipated income does not always come in at the same time expenses are due for payment. Also expenses are generally budgeted on a monthly basis but some might be paid in a lump sum such as an insurance premium. The cash-in-the-bank "is" being accounted for. You will see it as a line item on the balance sheet; it has no place in the budget.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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George,

I believe IRS Revenue Ruling 70-604 only applies if the HOA files Form 1120.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
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Heather,

What Mary says.

In our four seasons area, Jan-Mar we have virtually no expenses, but by Sept expenses are outrunning income. On Jan 1, 2009, our small potatoes, 21 SFD HOA, will have about $5K left in non-interest checking and about $7K in interest-paying reserves with a $19K budget. Aside from making our 2009 reserves contribution, we'll just keep the rest in checking and note same in our balance sheet as "cash on hand."
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Posted By MaryA1 on 11/17/2008 10:22 AM
George,

I believe IRS Revenue Ruling 70-604 only applies if the HOA files Form 1120.
Thanks. You are correct. I failed to include that key piece of information.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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What does this $2400 represent?

1%, 10%, 50%, 2% of your operating expenses?

It may be a small cushion to use as a beginning balance OR it might represent a good chunk of your annual budget. Mor einfo is needed.

(I am sure you meant to say that you have a $2400 account balance, after all expenses are left over - not what is "left in the checking account" - the account may not be reconciled for the year)
HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 89
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Posted By SusanW1 on 11/17/2008 12:32 PM
What does this $2400 represent?

1%, 10%, 50%, 2% of your operating expenses?

It may be a small cushion to use as a beginning balance OR it might represent a good chunk of your annual budget. Mor einfo is needed.

(I am sure you meant to say that you have a $2400 account balance, after all expenses are left over - not what is "left in the checking account" - the account may not be reconciled for the year)

Is operating expenses the same as budget??? If not, I don't know our operating expenses. Our budget is $10,000 as stated in OP so the 2400 is 24% of that.

I do not know if we file Form 1120. I could ask the Treasurer but he's a, um, hard to deal with.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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If you Annual Budget is $10,000, don't worry. That is a very small budget and the IRS probably doesn't even care about you . . .

To have $2400 excess at the end of the year for a $10,000 budget is something that needs to be looked at. Do you have a Reserve Fund set up to take care of the future needs of your complex (roof? roads? signs)
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
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Heather,

Your HOA should be filing IRS Form 1120-H, not Form 1120. They are not the same thing.

As far as "left over" money, you haven't given enough information, at least not for me, to make a determination as to whether there really is any "left over" money.

There's the budget, which should be balanced, and then there's cash flow. Normally, your cash flow should be positive, meaning there's more money in your checkbook than needed to pay your present bills, or at least equal, meaning there's always just enough. Since, as others have already noted, some bills are paid monthly whereas others may be paid annually, I would expect there should be money in the account for those bills you haven't received yet. On the other hand, it is conceivable that a business could have negative cash flow, meaning they have more bills than cash to pay them, so they would have to borrow to pay their bills. In that case they could still have a balanced budget provided that by year-end they had paid back the borrowed money and were now at zero (or close to it) balance with all money having been received and all bills paid.

Your checkbook balance represents your cash flow status, not the status of your budget.
HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 89
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Posted By SusanW1 on 11/17/2008 1:03 PM
If you Annual Budget is $10,000, don't worry. That is a very small budget and the IRS probably doesn't even care about you . . .

To have $2400 excess at the end of the year for a $10,000 budget is something that needs to be looked at. Do you have a Reserve Fund set up to take care of the future needs of your complex (roof? roads? signs)

Yes, we have $5000 in reserve. No roofs or roads to maintain. Simply grass and 2 small entrance signs. The $5000 is designated as reserve but the $2400 is undesignated and is in addition to the $5000 so basically a total of $7400 if you combine all of that.

I guess that the $2400 is more like positive cashflow. That just seems like a large amount of extra cash flow in my opinion. Wish my personal finances had that floating around.

Should the members not vote on how this $2400 is used? Many of them are not aware of it as the budget is not published or sent out to anyone. When I tell them, they get pretty mad.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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Heather - at your next Annual Meeting, the Members MUST demand an accounting of all the finances. You will want to see an end-of-the-year financial statement that lists all the Revenue (Income) that came in, and all the Expenditures (Costs).

Plus a Balance Sheet, which will tell you the value of all the HOA accounts, (Checking, Reserve Fund, and any other accounts that have been set up)

You must insist on seeing the Annual Budget. The board needs to come up with a plan on how to spend its expected income (dues)

And you must insist that the board publish a newsletter telling the members what they are doing and what is in the plans for the future.

HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 89
Posted:
We just had an annual meeting in September. Does that mean we do not have another one until NEXT September????

Yikes. Now I have to double post more info that I just posted on my OTHER thread. I know I'm KILLING you guys here!!! SO SORRY!!! If you weren't all so darned smart, I wouldn't post all of this!! ;)

Below is from my bylaws:

Doesn't it seem to say that the MEMBERS have to approve the budget and it has to be sent to everyone? But, some of this bolded is part of the "changes" from my other post.
__________________________________

"Treasurer

The Treasurer shall receive and deposit in appropriate bank accounts all monies of the Association and shall disburse such funds as directed by resolution of the Board of Directors; shall sign all checks and promissory notes of the Association; keep proper books of account; cause an annual accounting of the Association books to be made at the completion of each fiscal year; and shall prepare an annual budget and a statement of income and expenditures to be presented to the membership at its regular annual meeting for membership approval, deliver a copy of each to the members "
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By HeatherJ1 on 11/17/2008 6:13 PM
Yes, we have $5000 in reserve. No roofs or roads to maintain. Simply grass and 2 small entrance signs. The $5000 is designated as reserve but the $2400 is undesignated and is in addition to the $5000 so basically a total of $7400 if you combine all of that.

I guess that the $2400 is more like positive cashflow. That just seems like a large amount of extra cash flow in my opinion. Wish my personal finances had that floating around.

Should the members not vote on how this $2400 is used? Many of them are not aware of it as the budget is not published or sent out to anyone. When I tell them, they get pretty mad.

Heather,

What do the members get mad about? The $2,400 checkbook balance has nothing whatsoever to do with the budget. Are you the treasurer? If so, I suggest you acquire some basic bookkeeping knowledge it would help you tremendously to understand these financial matters. Please read my msg posted yesterday, which I've copied below; it seems to have been lost among other responses. Hopefully this will give you a little more insight regarding the checkbook balance.

"Heather,

The checkbook balance most likely is an accumulation of monies left over from prior years and perhaps a certain amount of prepaid assessments. There is nothing wrong with the assn maintaining a small "cushion" in the checkbook. The anticipated income does not always come in at the same time expenses are due for payment. Also expenses are generally budgeted on a monthly basis but some might be paid in a lump sum such as an insurance premium. The cash-in-the-bank "is" being accounted for. You will see it as a line item on the balance sheet; it has no place in the budget."

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