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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
We have discussed this issue in a previous post. It is probably not worth rehashing. However, a just posted (November 4) article on the topic under California law may be of some interest.

Volunteer Board Members -Should They Receive Compensation?
http://www.communityassociations.net/cacondoguru/

I think this quotation accurately captures the gist of the post:
    The "volunteer" board members accepting compensation lose valuable protections that exist in the law for [bona fide] volunteer board members. They are no longer "volunteers". These protections insulate board members from personal liability - and the compensation is often not worth the loss of that protection.

    I do not generally recommend that an HOA compensate board members for services the board should be providing; however, I certainly understand why some HOAs do it. It often results in (1) a savings over hiring outside services, and (2) having someone to do the work who has a personal interest in the HOA.

    However, it often also has some negative effects. In some cases it results in paying for services that require specialized knowledge or training, without getting the benefit of specialized knowledge or training.

    No board member should receive compensation simply for serving on the HOA Board when the governing documents say that board members shall not receive compensation.


DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

George,
Yes we have discussed this a few times and I think that the general opinion has always been the same that NO, Board members do this as volunteers and should not get monetary compensation. I have found that most associations do have verbage against doing so.

But the positive part of paying Board members is also what you stated, that they have a vested interest in doing the right thing for the membership because they are part of that membership.

So I guess if you asked my opinion, should or should not they get compensated for doing Board work, my answer would be no. As a volunteer up here in Tn, I work extremely hard for the Food Bank and would never expect to be compensated for all of my hours other than all of the praise and "Thanks" from the administration. That's why they call it "volunteering"
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Our docs specifically allow the BOD to approve compensation to the Sec or Tres (in both cases, moi). We have interpreted this to cover only work outside the scope of the listed S/T duties. This has come in handy since we have become self-managed, as in, nobody else to handle some things. Thus far, all these β€œfees” have dealt with landscaping issues, most of that related to the successful resolution of our Maple Tree claim (+$4K). $50 x 6 hours (actually more, but I rounded down a lot). Could we have retained an attorney for $+250/hr for the same work? Sure. But (I’m guessing here), attorney would have probably billed us more than 6 hours, would nonetheless have required my time and assistance, and might not have prevailed.

But paying Prez to do Prez stuff or S/T to do the regular S/T stuff? If an HOA has a PM, I’d think not. Though every HOA situation is unique, so ought to be looked at on a case-by-case basis, and the guidance provided in the docs followed.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
George - the quote says: They are no longer "volunteers."

Does that mean they are not covered by the D&O when they are doing their "paid volunteer work"?

Our treasurer spends MANY hours billing, re-billing, tracking invoices, reports, etc. JUST FOR THE DUES COLLECTION for $1500 per year. PLUS she does all the other "volunteer work" as Treasurer.

If we had to hire someone to do JUST the Dues invoicing and tracking, I am sure we would pay MUCH more.

I think the best thing would be to separate the tasks: 1.) volunteered treasurer's work and 2) the huge administrative job of the Dues invoicing / tracking, etc. She is basically an independent "contract worker" when getting paid, not a board member.

Of course, then you get into all the other issues of hiring, etc. She does get a 1099.

JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Susan,

Had to look it up. Our D&O covers elected directors and officers of the HOA. There is no exclusion re: paid vs. purely volunteered actions.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnK3 on 11/05/2008 9:27 AM
Susan,

Had to look it up. Our D&O covers elected directors and officers of the HOA. There is no exclusion re: paid vs. purely volunteered actions.
Thanks John, that is a excellent contribution to the discussion here.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
I'm sure we'd get TONS of people running for the Board if they knew they'd get PAID for it! Of course that would be the only reason they'd run. As it is now, very few people want to run because it IS a volunteer position.

A lot of board members get verbally beat up all the time for the "volunteer" job they're doing. Imagine the abuse they'd receive for the "paid" position they have.

No thanks. I'll keep my unpaid position.

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