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TomG1 (Ohio)
Posts: 1
Posted:
We are an Ohio HOA and our Board has change our late fee policy without an official notice to the community.
The policy now allows them to charge a late fee (every month)if you have not paid for a late fee on a single HOA payment.

Isn't this a pyramid scheme and isn't it ilegal in most states?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Your bylaws should tell you IF the Board has the power to levy fines, interest, etc.

Once they adopt a fee schedule, they SHOULD notify the Members, whether that is in a newsletter or letter.

Most likely, first time most people see it will be on the bill.

SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
I wouldn't call it a late fee on a late fee if the dues/bill was not paid in full....Our docs say that any money sent in goes first to the late fee and interest...so the balance left would be Association dues. This would then accuire interest if not paid.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
no, it is not a pyramid scheme (or scam). it is really no different than what credit card companies do, and if your by-laws allow it (or don't forbid it) and as others have said, they pass it and announce it properly, then it's legal.

I won't argue whether it is RIGHT or not.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Tom if you don't pay the late fee for the month owed then you continue to be late until they're paid. In addition if you live in a condo Association in Ohio then the BOD may have to credit them in this fashion:

5311.18 Lien for common expenses.
(A)(1) Unless otherwise provided by the declaration or the bylaws, the unit owners association has a lien upon the estate or interest of the owner in any unit and the appurtenant undivided interest in the common elements for the payment of any of the following expenses that are chargeable against the unit and that remain unpaid for ten days after any portion has become due and payable :

(a) The portion of the common expenses chargeable against the unit;

(b) Interest, administrative late fees, enforcement assessments, and collection costs, attorney’s fees, and paralegal fees the association incurs if authorized by the declaration, the bylaws, or the rules of the unit owners association and if chargeable against the unit.

(2) Unless otherwise provided by the declaration, the bylaws, or the rules of the unit owners association, the association shall credit payments made by a unit owner for the expenses described in divisions (A)(1)(a) and (b) of this section in the following order of priority:

(a) First, to interest owed to the association;

(b) Second, to administrative late fees owed to the association;

(c) Third, to collection costs, attorney’s fees, and paralegal fees incurred by the association;

(d) Fourth, to the principal amounts the unit owner owes to the association for the common expenses or penalty assessments chargeable against the unit.


Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Glen,

IMO, your state law is unfair! It allows the assessments to remain in arrears if the payment was not enough to cover the assessment plus the added fees. This is how many, many people get into big trouble with their credit card bills!!! In AZ the law states the amount paid must first be applied to any unpaid assessment, unless directed by the member.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Though we could do this, and there's nothing wrong with it, we don't charge a late fee if the only remaining delinquency is a previous late fee.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Mary what can I say, I'm sure the law was drafted by lawyers considering how high they are in the laws food chain. Then it was passed by professional politicians many of whom no doubt are lawyers then signed into law by another professional politician who was also a lawyer. We know that it is good because it wasn't created by some out of control BOD whose members only want to control their neighbor's lives and don't have their best interests in mind.

Seriously while it may seem unfair, how is it any different than how all most all other businesses handle the same situation? When a credit card company, Mortgage Company, loan company or utility charges a late fee they apply any money received to the late charges first otherwise what is the incentive to pay them?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Oops, I meant almost not (all most) but didn't see it until I hit send.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
If members pay their assessments when due this question wouldn't even occur. Assessments should be taken as seriously as mortgage payments. We have a few members in our hoa who think they can pay their assessments whenever or not. Why they assume there would be no penalty always amazes me. Hoas are not charities..they are for the benefit of responsible owners.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Ellen,
My Florida HOA was very fortunate to have a P.M that was very alert to missing dues because the payments were sent to the management company and were posted by their accounting dept. We had it in the bylaws that the Board had the right to send out late notices. The Board instructed her to send out a reminder letter after 15 days. It usually kept everyone alert as to their payments being late. Not everyone paid attention but most all did.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Glen,

I agree this is how cr card companies apply payments; which accounts for the high number of people in credit card debt. They only pay the min fee required which, over time, results in only paying the interest charge. The AZ leg. passed the current law because many mgmt co's were applying payments like cr card co's do, resulting in a continual delinquency on the h/o's account thus subjecting them to threats of foreclosure.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Oops! I meant to say "a continual assessment delinquency".

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