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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
A board can't get much more abusive than this. . .

    Almost half of the homes in an east Fort Myers low-income housing development have been hit with liens and threatened with foreclosure. It isn't because Hope Garden homeowners have failed to make mortgage payments, but because the homeowners have refused to pay association fees.

    Fort Myers governmental offices should have many of the documents the homeowners seek, but the city can't find them. And the owners association board will not give the homeowners access to its records.

    Carletha Griffin, the registered agent and assistant treasurer of the Hope Gardens Owners Association, refuses to provide receipts or copies of vendor contracts. She won't allow the owners to inspect the books because their dues aren't paid. She and other members of the board say they were either appointed or elected but can't provide any proof or even give a date the election was held.

    But this year, Griffin and the other five members on the board decided to bill homeowners $289 each to maintain the property - cutting 1.15 acres of grass.


    http://news-press.com/article/20081026/NEWS0110/810260404
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
George you really do only have one tune: HOA Boards bad - government regulation good. Florida has some of the strictest HOA regulations in the US and if the "abusive Board" is violating them, I'm sure they will be stepped on. And if they are in violation they deserve to be stepped on, I don't tolerate abusive Boards any more than deadbeat homeowners. I know from your posts that you seem to feel that H/O that don't pay their assessments should be given a free ride by others but sometimes you have to halt the gravy train.

Follow the money; evidently almost all of the tax money set aside by the government (the real one, not a pseudo one) was squandered away by government employees. Now the HOA has to pay for mowing 1.5 acres over the season and they want to assess homeowners $298.00 to do this. 30 homes X $298.00 = $8,940 or $24.83 per home per month for their share. How about a little outrage at the government employees that wasted our tax dollars; the same employees that can't provide documentation of where the money went; or the homeowners that refuse to pay?

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Of course you then have to divide the amount into the number of mows per season to see if it is an outrageous figure. We average 25 mows per season which would be $357.60 per mow. However being warmer in Florida I would suspect more rather than fewer mows per year which would bring the cost down.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GlenL on 10/27/2008 4:34 AM
George you really do only have one tune: HOA Boards bad - government regulation good.

You noticed that, too?

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Sounds like a whole lotta people and agencies were at fault here.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Glen and Michelle,

You noticed that too. I will address George--from how I feel.

George. We all realize that you are a smart lawyer and you work for some sort of firm that does legislate work. But God man, sometimes we need information posted that is NOT anti Board, not showing abusives from Boards (which we all admit there are) ways to deal with the junk that happens, not just pointing out that it happened again. We need directions on how to find positive resources, not another proposed piece of legislation that only you lawyer guys can understand. Your knowledge is a valuable resource to us all but ya gotta look at this from the Boards point of view once in a while.. .please!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

I got to thinking about this and realized that the reason that we only see the negative side of HOAs is because that is the only stuff that gets written about. We never get to read about anything above and beyond good that Boards do. We never see how much time and effort many Board members dpend trying to make their HOAs better places. Thats the way the media works and blame them for much of this.
Look at the elections. I can tell you everything bad or what is made up to be bad about all 4 of the major candidates. Celebrities get the same treatment so I am going to treat all of these negative HOA stories the same as I treat the election and celeb news--as not truthful..

My Journalism teacher had a motto which she pounded into our heads. "BELIEVE NONE OF WHAT YOU READ AND HALF OF WHAT OF WHAT YOU SEE."
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

For those of you who did not read the entire article, this is a majaor governmental goofup. HUD not having the documents, the City of Ft. Meyers cannot find documents, the Board not having all of the documents, and residents deciding not to pay assessments. No one knows how the Board got seated and no one has watched the Boards behavior. So is this the Boards fault? Is the Treasurer on the up and up? You tell me. Her decision to not allow viewing of the records to anyone who's dues are not paid? That would be my policy. But I never would have let her go this long without someone reviewing the finances so that is the Boards fault? No again, it is every members fault.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
I gotta agree with Donna, Glen, and Michelle. Seems like everything George posts is either a link to a story that is bashing HOAs or he is responding to somebody else's post and stating that it's yet another example of why HOAs are so bad and we need more legislation to reign them in.

Sorry George, but I don't agree. I will agree that there are a few HOAs that have problems, but I can't agree that the answer for everyone then is more government regulation. Take a look at Despair.com for one view on government "solutions".
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dwight,

Love the "Despair.com

This one is perfect for us here.

'IGNORANCE--IT'S AMAZING HOW MUCH EASIER IT IS FOR A TEAM TO WORK TOGETHER WHEN NO ONE HAS ANY IDEA WHERE THEIR GOING"
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Donna - I think for some of us this one will also apply:

Meetings - None of us is as Dumb as All of us.

Of course, sometimes (most times?) that applies to my work as well......
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Dwight,
I found this on the CAI website, the (Community Association Institute) is under the Florida Dept of Business and Professional Sales which is the larger government body for HOAs, etc. Kind of made me snicker a little.

In Nevada legislators have already realized the problems these industry partisans are creating for homeowners living in mandated properties.
State Senator Mike Schneider stated (quote):
“I think homeowners associations just get carried away. I think what happens is they get bad advice from attorneys. If they stopped listening to attorneys, a lot of these problems would go away. That's what attorneys do, they get carried away with this. Personally, I think attorneys just want them to get into these little neighborhood wars so they can bill them for more money."
Schneider, who sponsored successful bills expanding the rights of homeowners
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Pot - Kettle - Black....
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
It reeks of government corruption to me. It seems that nobody knows where the treasurer came from. And where is the president in all of this? The secretary got made and resigned, but he doesn't really say if he was elected or appointed. Then why should any of this be a surprise when HUD had issues in their audit?

I don't know that this should even be considered a real HOA problem. They don't seem to be a real HOA. If anyone can answer questions they refuse to do so.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
I think it is great that George is posting these examples of bad HOA's because for anyone who is open to learning and trying to see things from other perspectives, it could be helpful to maintain a good HOA and not make the same mistakes. It takes all kinds and just based on the articles it clearly demonstrates not everyone has as much common sense as we all do here to see the lunacy in some of these stories.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
To be honest, part of my motivation in being on the Board was to try and start the direction well away from being one of "those" organizations. And I am constantly looking for what I don't want in my neighborhood.

(But I do want to see some fines going on because we have a jerk who only cares about himself.)
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DJ1 on 10/28/2008 9:33 AM
I think it is great that George is posting these examples of bad HOA's because for anyone who is open to learning and trying to see things from other perspectives, it could be helpful to maintain a good HOA and not make the same mistakes. It takes all kinds and just based on the articles it clearly demonstrates not everyone has as much common sense as we all do here to see the lunacy in some of these stories.

I can appreciate that DJ, but one gets tired of the same note over and over.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

DJ.

We all agree that George has so much knowledge to share BUT --from my earlier post to him--

"Your knowledge is a valuable resource to us all but ya gotta look at this from the Boards point of view once in a while.. .please!

GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Donna:

You are so right that all of the bashing of HOA's and Boards are usually from disgruntled homeowners who received a letter or that a lien was placed on their home for non-payment and got their names into the newspaper and "wham" the board, MC or HOA is doing something wrong.

Now that is not to say some boards or MC's do not do everything up to code, but that is in life everywhere. Politicians (don't get me started) churches, Pastors/Priests, goverments; any business or organization is going to have their corruption and people who abuse their power.

Being in this business since 1982; I have seen some really wonderful, fantastic boards and committees who's sole purpose is to see their neighborhood become a community of people working together for the betterment of all.

In NC alone there are probably over 14,000 communities and growing, I am not sure what the static's is of the entire USA, however I believe close to 60 million (probably more) living in an HOA. I do not believe the articles posted by George is a fair representation of the millions of people that are living in an HOA to protect their investment.

The buyer needs to be educated when purchasing their home and do the research! They are purchasing in a Deed Restrictive Community. Read the Bylaws and CCR's before purchasing. If you cannot pay the dues or live according to those rules...look somewhere else. Once you buy you are a member of the HOA and obligated to follow the rules.

Of the many communities we manage, by far there are more GREAT boards that serve with good intentions, then bad boards.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Gloria,
Thank You for posting what so many of us feel about this subject. Having it come from a person in your position and expertise is what we novices have been trying to say all along. Many of my posting buddies need to get positive input because it seems like we don't get the other side of the story--the good side. We do Thank You, Donna

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