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GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Over the last several months, our small one family community has had several incidents of an unsettling nature.
1. A car parked overnight in the driveway was broken into and several small items were stolen, although higher priced electronics on the seat were overlooked.(The police were notified)
2. A HomeOwner (who is a former police officer) noticed footprints in the morning dew on two separate occasions which led up to several residence windows and driveways.
3. Gasoline was siphoned from a car parked overnight in a HomeOwner's driveway.
4. A HomeOwner who went to turn on their front door lights, came upon a young bare-chested man standing in close proximity to their front door. (The police were called, but the man fled leaping over the HomeOwner's fence, rear yard and escping into a neighboring Community).
I have been getting calls from HomeOwners now interested in a Community Watch Program. I had tried to start this two years ago, and again last year, but there was no interest. As always, people want action when they are directly affected.

I have called the town Public Safety Commission and am awaiting a call back with up to date info on what is required to join a Neighborhood Watch Program.

My questions:
Has any other HOA been invovled with this type of Program. What are the benefits, requirements and pitfalls?
We have a BOD Mtg scheduled for next week, so I'd like to be prepared with as many answers to questions as I can get.

I appreciate all the help you can give me.
Thanks,
Gloria
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
We (our HOA board) has been trying to get a blockwatch program started in our neighborhood for at least six years now.

This past spring tipped the scales for us in terms of Homeowner interest when there were a rash of burglaries all over town, and at least 2 of them occurred in our neighborhood.

My opinion of them is, however, that they probably have more of a psychological effect than they do a practical effect. But that's not a bad thing.

When people drive through your neighborhood and there are "We Are Watching You" signs it gives them a certain comfort level that people are aware of what is going on.

Properly trained, though, the Blockwatch CAN help the police in many ways. The key is that the volunteers have to not only just want the signs up, but be active and work with the local law enforcement agency to ensure that their blockwatch is practically effective as well as psychologically effective.

GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
The attached document, a Neighborhood Watch Toolkit, may be of some interest to you and others.
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GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
You may also find some publications from the National Crime Prevention Council helpful, if you have not already reviewed these. The following is attached to this post.

Neighborhood Watch Organizer's Guide This publication works as a guide for creating and sustaining a successful Neighborhood Watch program. It covers everything from motivating the community to running successful meetings.

Another one you might find helpful is:

Neighborhood Watch: Make It a Permanent Force for Community Betterment This document explains some of the benefits of having a Neighborhood Watch program in your community. It is a great resource for those interested in starting a Neighborhood Watch, and also discusses many of the issues and obstacles that new Neighborhood Watch groups will face.

It can be downloaded at http://www.ncpc.org/publications/available-online/neighborhood-watch/orgz.pdf
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KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
In some cases Neighborhood Watch programs have been very successful. I suspect much depends on the motivation level of the residents. I would point out that if they were not of value then they wouldn't enjoy the support of so many police departments. Generally though any involvement with each other tends to lower crime rates.

I would also point you to the following resource:
http://www.nationalnightout.org/natw/index.html
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Also ask your local police dept. to make more runs through your HOA.

Years ago, when we had a large group of teens the same age, we had a neighborhood watch. Couples patroled the subdivison all thru the night, 3 hour shifts.

No one was even caught, but one couple did start an affair.
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
George,
I read the attachment and was a bit disappointed. I guess only because so much of the success depends on participation of the Neighborhood, and ours does not have a great track record.

This idea was brought up in previous years, but no one was interested. Only now that several recent incidents have brought a bit of unease into the Community, suddenly my phone is ringing again.

It seems that the same very few people who serve on the BOD and do virtually all of the work, might be faced with the task of shouldering this new endeavour...and that is a death sentence for its success. Maybe I am wrong, and hopefully I am, but once our Members realize that THEY may actually have to participate themselves, this may fade away again. I believe they think the BOD will just post a "Neighborhood Watch" sign and then patrol the street ourselves, and they can sit safely and quietly in their house.

I think this type of program could be very beneficial to the Community. If I didn't I wouldn't have pushed this twice before. I just am not at all sure fear will triump over apathy. But I will due my diligence, gather as much info as I can and present it to the BOD again, at our next meeting.

I am sorry if this post sounds so discouraged. Maybe my discouragement stems from the fact that it is 1:30 in the morning and discomfort from fire ant bites is depriving me of sleep, and not the reality of apathic neighbors.

Gloria
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
My intent was to lead readers of this thread to information about neighborhood watch programs that could prove helpful. I have no expertise or an opinion regarding the success of such programs.

Let me suggest an alternative approach. Instead of attempting to organize a formal neighborhood watch program, one might consider implementing similar activities that lead to the same outcome--a reduction in crime.

I sometimes think that while people will willing undertake a particular task, they are reluctant to either "join a committee" or get involved in a formally organized effort.

For instance, if a neighborhood party is desired, asking a neighbor to bring 50 paper plates, or come early to light the grill, or bring 10 packages of hot dogs might work better than asking the same individuals to join a homeowners association party planning committee and volunteer for the same task.

Instead of asking a neighbor to join a committee, ask the neighbor, "Would you be willing to give one hour of your time Thursday night at 8:00 pm to share your thoughts about ways to reduce crime in the neighborhood?"
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Gloria, block watches can be very successful and open a door to your community that is quite helpful. I organized one here for our community through our local police station. There actually are Community Liason Police Officers who volunteer/dedicate their time. Here is how it worked for us:

We had to have a good number of the community involved (out of 151 homes we had about 10 at our first meeting), we held 3 meetings with the CLPO and then got to tour the Police Station. Incentives our Police Station offers are helicopter rides for BW Coordinators and ride alongs for members of the BW. We got our signs and installed them and were privy to information about crime from our Liason Officer. We received extra drive throughs from PO on patrol. I attended special meetings with other coordinators from other neighborhoods. This was helpful in sharing information about what crimes were happening around us.

One of my good friends is the BW Coordinator across the street. She has a huge party every year, mostly from donated time, money and food from local business'. She has Police horses, dogs, swat cars, police cars, swat people...everything you could imagine. As a way to get people involved and educate them about crime and what the PO do. It is a wonderful event and was even reported on the news.

Things went swell for us, until we had that overbearing neighbor who started doing stops on cars, ticketing them..lol..throwing himself in front of speeding cars to get them to slow down and riding along with his maglight doing checks on people to see if they lived here. While I enjoyed his enthusiasm, he became a liability and had to be removed by the CLPO. Now our BW is small and participation is slim. Everyone was turned off toward the BW because of him. BUT it still works for us, we share information amongst each other, still have our contacts with the PO and prosecutors office (very helpful) and share information with our surrounding neighborhood BW participants.

We don't help deter all crime, but get useful information on crimes that could be entering our neighborhood.
We also hire a PO to do security throughout the neighborhood during the summer months or as needed.

Contact your local police station and get the information.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Gloria:

I'm confused then as to what you expected a Neighborhood Watch program to entail.

If not involvement by the neighbors, then what?

I mean, law enforcement only has so much of a budget and can only divvy up so much territory for regular, high-profile patrols.

If you want to reduce crime, and feel a Neighborhood Watch program will do that (and I would argue that it can), then why would anyone presume that neighborhood INVOLVEMENT is not paramount to that success?

If you have apathy, and you can't motivate the people living there to care enough to make a difference, then I have no answers for you.

There is no "magic bullet."

It's the same as with anything in a neighborhood. People have to CARE about how things are going (or not going) and care enough to GET INVOLVED in order for anything to change.

So I guess I was wrong. I guess there actually IS a "magic bullet": community involvement.

Anyway, I don't know what can be done to move people into action if they don't feel compelled to be in action. After all, it's taken nearly 6 years of efforts on our part to get one started here.

TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
A higher crime rate in the area generally brings people's interest up in a BW. Use this when talking with your neighbors. Like our BW program states, homeowners have to be the eye's and ears of the the police. Therefore involvement is necessary and a local BW program can teach you how to be involved without drawing attention to yourselves individually to the criminals.

It can be successful, just make the call and rally home owners to attend.

Honestly, in seeing how the BW conducts itself across the street, the more involved the community is the more the Police take note and help out.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
I'm fully in favor of Neighborhood Watch programs. I really am. Recently though one of our NW signs was stolen. Post was sheared off at ground level (stub is still there). None of the homeowners in that area knows anything about it. Really kind of makes you wonder.

I'm still very much in favor of the program though.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
We recently knocked around the idea of getting a Neighborhood Crime Watch group going. We contacted our local Sheriff's Department which sets up these things (to work with them). We found out that there must be three volunteers involved. A Chairperson; a Co-chairperson and a Communication Leader.

Sitting ducks. We're small--only 46 units--and if we had a meeting with the residents and the Sheriff's Department we couldn't picture three people having the guts to raise their hands, be identified and volunteer. Rule violators (and criminals) have no problem retaliating against board members for enforcing the rules. Pity the poor three people who report criminal activity.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Quote:
... Rule violators (and criminals) have no problem retaliating against board members for enforcing the rules. Pity the poor three people who report criminal activity.

This is the exact reason that crime can proliferate. There are several things wrong with this:
  1. Most Police departments don't tell people who called them to report something. They can only take action if they find enough evidence seperate from that anyway. If they ask who you are it is for protection and so the officer can get more information as needed.

  2. At 46 homes you are an ideal candidate for Neighborhood Watch. You can get to know each other. You wouldn't be reporting activity at some person's home. You would be protecting MR Smith the barber.
  3. Thieves count on you not knowing something is wrong. They count on you not realizing that Ms Jones would never have a piano tuner in her house since she doesn't own one.

The more your neighbors know each other the better your neighborhood will be. The neighborhood watch is about getting people to simply pay attention to the area and reporting things that look out of place. Then they couple that with notification so that people cen be told when something has been amiss. This helps people put two and two together.

Certainly there are times when the source of crime is within the neighborhood. But in those cases it is best to team up against the person rather then cower and hope you don't become a target.

If you are concerned about this, then start up the block parties. They need not be a high cost thing. In fact, I met a guy who became known for his block parties. He started by he and his wife putting out invitations to bring something to grill to the party. Their parties are typically bring your meat and some food to share. But they have a great turnout.

I believe there would be some "side" benefit as well. People would be more likely to respond to HOA meetings. They would look forward to seeing their friends there. They might also be much more responsive to a friendly reminder of a problem at their house. Then again, the reminder will probably be more friendly since you know they aren't total jerks to begin with.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
I lived in a neighborhood that was registerd with the Neighborhood Watch Program. First of all, we were told by the P.D. that this is NOT a function of the HOA; it's a function for the residents of the neighborhood; so, our program was kept separate from the HOA. There are certain requirements which must be met in order to remain in the program. There are a required number of meetings and activities which must be undertaken during the year. Yes, it's a good way to get neighbors involved, but if people don't have the time or effort the program will not work. We were able to maintain our status w/i the program but it took quite a bit of effort on the part of the Block Watch Captain. I do believe there is a certain amount of deterence to crime in neighborhoods where the Block Watch is active. Just seeing the signs in a neighborhood will deter some criminal activity. But, IMO, the main ingredient is having neighbors who are watchful and not afraid to report a crime or potential crime.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
And lights - lots of lots of lighting, preferably motion detection lighting.

Best case senario - hire someone to cruise the neighborhood during certain hours.
(maybe an off-duty cop)

The residents need to take this issue to the HOA if it is a real problem and try to figure out why criminals are picking your particular neighborhood.
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
Our BOD Mtg is this coming Monday. Unfortuately, I have not heard back as yet from our Police dept with any info about the Neighborhood Watch. I have put it on the Agenda for the BOD Mtg for discussion, and, hopefully, some neighbors will actually attend the Mtg also, since they had expressed interest.

I agree that the Neighborhood Watch should be separate from the BOD duties. We are a small self-managed HOA (27 homes) and the BOD has enough responsibilities already (enforcing the CCR's, violation notices and follow-ups, collecting dues, paying bills, overseeing contractors, maintaining the front entrance). I am very curious to see if those people who called wanting to initiate a Neighborhood Watch will step up to shoulder any of the responsibilities (such as one of the three contact positions which a previous poster noted are required).

Again, if I did not believe that Neighborhood Watch programs could be very beneficial to our Community, I would not have brought it to the Community twice before. I have become jaded to the apathy I guess. Now that these latest incidents are fresh in people's minds, they want something done...I just hope that they are willing to do some of the work themselves.

Gloria
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I would say the connection should be a loose one. I don't see anything wrong with the HOA spending money to get the word out. For instance, the HOA could pay for a letter to all residents telling them of the effort. The HOA could provide some support for a block party to help get people involved. But getting the Block Captain is not a function of the HOA. And telling the Block Captain that he/she reports to the HOA is not right either.
GloriaL (Georgia)
Posts: 195
Posted:
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Posted By KirkW1 on 10/17/2008 11:04 AM
I would say the connection should be a loose one. I don't see anything wrong with the HOA spending money to get the word out. For instance, the HOA could pay for a letter to all residents telling them of the effort. The HOA could provide some support for a block party to help get people involved. But getting the Block Captain is not a function of the HOA. And telling the Block Captain that he/she reports to the HOA is not right either.

Kirk,

I agree with your post. I believe that the Neighborhood Watch program should be a HOA sponsored deal, with the HOA facilitating the contact to bring the Community together, but then it should function independently. As long as the Neighborhood Watch doesn't violate any CCR's, I don't think the BOD has much "authority" over it. The BOD's charge is detailed in our governing Documents, and the Neighborhood Watch Program falls outside of those guidelines...IMHO.

Anyone feel otherwise?

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