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GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Our board of directors appointed two homeowners to be part of a financial committee.
(The two homeowners petitioned to be part of the committee and also they were part of this committee the previous two years).

It seems that the president and the vice president only communicate to one of the committee members. The second volunteer
felt very disrespectful for this reason and attempted to resign from the committee. The third board member (Treasurer) feels
that this committee member is very valuable and a good person. He encouraged her not to resign.

Nothing has changed. It is very obvious that this is a very sad situation. I have watched this situation for a few months.

We feel insulted for the behavior of these board members and we want to do something about it.
Thank you for any advise,
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GordonD1 on 10/13/2008 1:22 PM
Our board of directors appointed two homeowners to be part of a financial committee.
(The two homeowners petitioned to be part of the committee and also they were part of this committee the previous two years).

It seems that the president and the vice president only communicate to one of the committee members. The second volunteer
felt very disrespectful for this reason and attempted to resign from the committee. The third board member (Treasurer) feels
that this committee member is very valuable and a good person. He encouraged her not to resign.

Nothing has changed. It is very obvious that this is a very sad situation. I have watched this situation for a few months.

We feel insulted for the behavior of these board members and we want to do something about it.
Thank you for any advise,

Gordon,

First of all committee members serve at the pleasure of the board. If one committee member isn't being treated fairly, I don't know what can be done but to resign from the committee. It appears that the Pres and V.P. weren't too happy about her appointment and are doing all in their power to have her removed. If I were that person, I would resign, regardless of how valuable my service might be in the eyes of the Treas.

You said: "we feel insulted. . .". Who, may I ask, is "we"?
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Two choices here:

1) the board should remove a person from any committee that they feel is not contributing or valuable to the cause.

2) any committee member who feels that they are not being respected as a member of a committee should resign.

I have resigned from a committee after it became very clear that the person who was supposed to step down was not going to give the committee members the vital material needed by the committee. This kind of "ownership" is dangerous and should not be condoned. In the meantime, I left the committee.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Mary:

My wife and I try to attend our board meetings (Every 3 months).

We feel offended because of the treatment given to this very cordial, respectful and
intelligent committee member.

We refused to believe that the two board members don't like her because she is Asian.

The third board member is a well known doctor that truly respects this lady and had
encouraged her not to resign.

I hope that now you understand why we feel insulted.

We are american people that respect everybody.

This lady is very nice and we can see the rejection she is receiving.

She is volunteering her position as many other residents have not come forward to do so.

The board keep telling us that they need volunteers. You may your own conclusion.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Perhaps she is not a good fit on this particular committee. What kind of expertise does she bring to the committee?

Just because she resigns from a committee does not mean that she is off the board.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Excuse me, I see that she is a volunteer committee member and not a board member.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GordonD1 on 10/14/2008 1:03 PM
Mary:

My wife and I try to attend our board meetings (Every 3 months).

We feel offended because of the treatment given to this very cordial, respectful and
intelligent committee member.

We refused to believe that the two board members don't like her because she is Asian.

The third board member is a well known doctor that truly respects this lady and had
encouraged her not to resign.

I hope that now you understand why we feel insulted.

We are american people that respect everybody.

This lady is very nice and we can see the rejection she is receiving.

She is volunteering her position as many other residents have not come forward to do so.

The board keep telling us that they need volunteers. You may your own conclusion.

Gordon,

As I said earlier, if it were me I would resign, regardless of how the third board member felt about me! I can understand you and your wife's astonishment; oftentimes it's easier for "outsiders" to see things that the "insiders" can't. IMO, it's up to the other board members to set the Pres and V.P. straight regarding their treatment of this volunteer. The third board member should remind them that their actions are not conducive to obtaining member volunteers!!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
By the way, Gordon, it is unusual for the Pres. and the VP to be on a committee, much less the Financial Committee. Most of these are one board member, the treasurer, and two or three resident members AND even an outside person, such as a bookkeeper. If the President is an ex-officio of all coomittees, he/she sits in on meetings, but does not lead the meeting or exercise control of the committee's work.

Work to break up that twosome . . .
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Hi Susan and Mary:

First of all, the lady in questions brings a lot of experience. She owns her own small business. The other committee member
has spoken very highly of her. She has given wonderful ideas on the board meetings. She behaves very respectful and
very knowledgeable.

We strongly believe that this is a very bad behavior of the two board members.

Unfortunately it seems that they have the right to do this, even though this does not seem ethical or
fair for the community at large.

This financial committee has only two members. The board members are not part of the financial committee.

We don't know what this lady is going to do. Our next meeting is schedule for December.

Thank you for your thoughts.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Just to answer the question properly.

This lady owns her own business for 10 years.

She worked for 12 years in the accounts receivables for a company and she was a Realtor for 20 years.

This lady is in 59 years old.

In the other hand the other committee member is a nice lady but she has not worked for over 25 years. (She is 53 years old).

We like this two ladies.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I thought you meant that the Pres. and the VP are part of this committee.

The Financial Committee reports to the WHOLE Board, not just to two members.

The Finacial Committee works with the information from the Treasurer and the management company (if there is one) So I am not sure what the Pres. and the VP are talking to her about that could impact this committee.

It would seem that the problem is between the two women committee members.

Are the two women meeting with the Treasurer? Are they talking to each other/
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
I never said that the President and the VP are part of this committee.

What I said is that two of the three board members favor only one of the Finance Committee members.

To make it simple. "Discrimination".

End of the story.

GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Yes, this two committee members are friendly with each other, and have

I am sorry you did not understand the situation.

Thanks
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

Well, now I'm a bit confused. I, like Susan, was of the impression that the Pres and V.P. were also on the committee. It's not unusual for the board to only communicate with one committee member -- usually the chairman. Since this committee is only comprised of 2 members it may appear they are slighting the other member; but perhaps not. But, if these board members are verbally abusive toward her, the remaining board member should let them know that their actions are not commendable and certainly not conducive to getting other assn members to volunteer.

I'm thinking perhaps this is a situation one would have to witness to fully understand. Therefore, my recommendation would be that the committee member who feels slighted should resign if the actions of the Pres. and V.P. make her feel uncomfortable. Of course this would be a shame because it does sound like she is well-qualified. BTW, the fact that the other committee member has not worked in over 25 years is meaningless; she, in fact, may be more qualified than the other gal who's had a long career.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Our community has three board members: President, V President and Treasure.

The President and V President are improperly treating this very nice lady very bad.

The Treasure board member is a very nice person that does his job very ethical. (He treats the financial committee very respectful).

The financial committee has two lady members (they are not part of the board).

The two ladies have a very good working relationship.

Our community only has 67 houses.

We just received a note posted on our door that 45 homeowners are going to support this very nice
lady. It is not acceptable for board members to use power and not do the right thing.

The President and the V President should not be board members because they are not acting
fair.

We want a friendly and respectful community.

When someone that volunteers giving the community good services the board
should embrace it. No many homeowners want to volunteer.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

THe only thing you said about the Pres. and V.P.'s conduct toward this person is: "It seems that the president and the vice president only communicate to one of the committee members." The fact they don't communicate with her doesn't seem like such a dastardly thing, at least not something that would warrant a majority of the members wanting something done about it. You also said ". . .they are improperly treating this very nice lady very bad." And you alluded to racial discrimination. How specifically is she being treated badly and have there been racial slurs?

Could you please elaborate? You've come here asking for help, but you've really left us completely in the dark regarding the real issue.
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:
Mary:

Thank you for trying to help.

I really suggest you read all of my remarks.

I think you are confused because you did not read all of my comments.

By the way, the committee member that was not being treated properly has received an
apology letter from the president of the board. He also said in the letter that was sent to
all of the homeowners that he was very sorry and that he let a personal issue get in the middle.

He is resigning because he feels that he felt our community.

Many of the homeowners feel that he is doing the right thing.

The members of the board should be fair to all of the homeowners and represent us
with fiduciary duties.

Good lesson for everybody.

What was done to this nice woman was very improper.

Let's move on.

Enjoy your weekend

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Gordon,

I have read all your messages. You alluded to certain things but never said what whas specifically done or said to this woman. However, I'm glad to hear that it's all been taken care of and everyone's happy.

Take care,
Mary
GordonD1 (California)
Posts: 131
Posted:

Mary, thank you for your comments.

A homeowner has been appointed to finish the period of
time that the previous president had on his term.

The whole community seems to be very happy with the
changes.

When someone represents the interest of a community, fiduciary duties and ethics has to be the main motivation.

We are glad that the previous president recognized his very bad
judgement in the letter he sent via e-mail to the homeowners.

Gordon

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