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StevenG3 (Kentucky)
Posts: 5
Posted:
We are a new HOA (6-months) and elections are coming up. We have 2 positions that will be open and 3 people who wish to stay on.

Here's my question. How do we hold an election, and fulfill the positions. I've looked in the By-Laws but it is not detailed.

Do we hold an election and the 2 nominations with the most votes get the position, or do we take the top 5 people and get they become the new board and then they determine their position.

If you can provide insight or resources that will help me, it will be much appreciated.

Thank you in advance. -Steven
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
That your bylaws or other documents don't expand on elections is odd. How did these original people get on the board?

Are "terms" described in your bylaws? People don't stay on the board brcause they "wish to stay on."

Procedures for voting board positions can vary.

At an Annual Meeting, people who are able and willing to serve can be nominated for the positions. EACH position is open for nomination, the vote is taken and the top vote getter wins. Then the next position is nominated and elected the same way,

OR

All nominees are listed and the top vote getters are elected in the order of number of votes.

OR

board members are appointed or elected unto the board by other board members.

Who knows? Surely your documents say something about how the board is filled!!
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
Do the bylaws specify the length of terms? If so, that's where you start. If the term isn't up for the current members, they stay - otherwise everyone has to be voted in.

In my community, elections are held during the annual meeting, and are open to homeowners who are current on their fees. Our bylaws require 10% of eligible homeowners to either attend the meeting or send in a proxy before an election can be held. Director terms are for three years (I'm up for re-election myself next yar). Interested homeowners can nominate themselves or someone else to run for an open spot or against a member currently up for re-election, but they have to be present at the meeting.

If someone quits (or is removed) before the term is up, the board appoints a replacement to serve out the remainder of the term and then he/she must be re-elected at the appropriate time. We announce when positions open up, and eligible homeowners can attend the next meeting to volunteer.

You'll also need to check your bylaws to see what they say about proxies. In my community, we send proxies 30 days before the election. If a homeowner sends in a proxy, but shows up after all,, the proxy is cancelled and the homeowner votes as usual.

Whatever you do, make sure the board (and/or committee) begin reviewing the bylaws and see where they need to be revised to address elections. The revisions should be reviewed by a certain percentage of homeowners

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
First, a little clarification might help. I am guessing that you are in a similar position to my own HOA. Your documents call for staggered terms for the directors. Further, the documents don't actually spell out how you decide who gets an initial two year term and who gets an initial 1 year term.

We had the same thing and at the meeting the manager said those with the most votes. Then she left it up to the Board to decide. Quite honesty, if you are in a similar position then I would approach it as such:

The person who doesn't care to serve longer should have a 1 year term. If possible then the two who are remaining should work it between themselves who will face re-election. If they just can not decide, then you need to come up with an equitable means of decision. The US gold standard is a vote of the board. That of course would end up meaning that the person not serving another year decides. But believe it or not, here in Texas many non-decisive election is decided by coin toss or drawing for high card.

Personally, when we discussed it I said I wanted to serve more then a single year. But I also said that I would gladly face re-election. Partly because the incumbent has a very strong edge in any election. Maybe mostly because of the edge of being an incumbent. Maybe also because I was able to gather as many proxies in two afternoons as were sent into the management office.
StevenG3 (Kentucky)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you for the quick replies.

The initial Board was elected at a very informal HOA meeting held by the Developer. The Developer is no longer in the state so using them as a resource does not exist. The way it worked then was; there were 5 positions, 6 people ran for election, the top 5 were elected. At our first BOD meeting, we all decided what position we wanted and there was not much competition over who wanted what, so it worked out real well.

The terms are for a one-year period. We were elected in May, but the HOA and Developer have always considered the terms to be Jan – Dec. We want to leave it this way. Based on the idea that the person(s) with the most votes is elected, does this mean that if I, the HOA president, come in 5th, I will lose the Presidents position and be placed as Secretary? I would hate for us to bring someone new in and they receive the Presidents position without being involved in anything prior to the election.

I would think the vote-per-position method would be more suitable as some people would be thrilled about being the secretary but not being the Treasurer or VP. Thoughts?

While I’m asking, maybe you can help me with some other things mentioned in the ByLaws:

:: If someone purchased lots from the Developer (because the Developer left the state), does this person get to cast 1 vote per lot? They are not a Builder – they sell lots to a Builder.

:: What is a Class 1 and Class 2 membership?

Our ByLaws are here for your review: www.hbalexington.com/bylaws.pdf For those of you who understand this stuff better than I do, it will most likely be as clear as day – and I hope it is and I hope you are able to educate me.

I want to make sure I do this correct so that our neighborhood has a model to follow.

Again, thank you for your time.
-Steven
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Thanks for posting the by-laws; it's easier to answer questions when you can see what you're working with, I would get a committee together and re-write these as soon as possible tailored to your HOA instead of this generic piece of crud. As far as classes go now that the Declarant is gone you only have to worry about one class of membership.

While there is nothing wrong with having the elections in May as according to the way the by-laws read you can set the date, I would have the terms effective that date. In most communities I've read about the membership picks the directors then the directors pick the offices that they will hold. Direct elections into a particular office do not seem to be the norm.

Some changes I would suggest are:

Change the quorum requirement as 60% is unrealistic to expect, most Associations are hard pressed to get 51% to a meeting.

Change the terms to two year with staggered terms, meaning three people elected one year for two years and two people for one year the first time. Then everyone elected for two year terms thereafter, this way there should always be someone one the Board that knows what is going on to provide continuity.

I've posted a copy of our by-laws for our condominium HOA, to give you an idea of some things you might want to include, although some of the things are specific to Ohio and to condominiums. I would suggest visiting other HOA web sites and looking at their documents for more ideas. This is one HOA site I've found that really seems to have great documents. http://www.unionmills.com/

Of course all changes should be looked over by an attorney specializing in property law to make sure that they can be upheld in your jurisdiction.
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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Steven, since you're a new Association, I'm going to go off topic here for just a second. You don't specify whether or not you have a Management Company to help answer some of your questions, I'm going to assume not. Since your transition from the Declarant; have you guys got the mailing address changed with everyone you need to? These need to be updated every time there is a change. If you do not have a MC or attorney to act as registered agent, then it might be a good idea to get a P.O. Box so that the HOA always receives the important stuff. If the address on file is for a disgruntled former Board member there is no guarantee that they will pass the mail on in a timely manor.

Notify Secretary of State of change new address of the corporation and any change of Registered Agent.

File Form 8822 - Change of Address with the Internal Revenue Service and notify your local County Tax Office.

Notify all vendors including any Utility Companies of change and new billing address.

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StevenG3 (Kentucky)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Glen:

Thank you for taking the time to reply. All of your suggestions are in our ByLaws Rev. 2 - it's just a matter of what do we do right now with the election 3-months away. Thanks for the imput though - I'm glad to see that someone on the outside considers our current bylaws too generic.

We are self-managed. The Association was managed by a PM when the Developer was in the state. The Developer and the PM left at the same time and a freshman BOD stepped in.

I'll continue to do research and hopefully find a clear direction.

Incase anyone new is reading, I'm going to sum up my questions again.

We have 5 positions right now. 3 people want to stay on for next year. How do we determine who will be where? Do we hold an election based on each position (all 5), or hold an general election and the folks with the top 5 votes are the new board members? If you take the later of the two options, how do you determine who ends up where? When the Developer turned the HOA over to the BOD in May, we voted for 3 people. How many votes do we get to cast? The ByLaws say cumulative voting is not permitted.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Whether they want to stay or not is immaterial, your by-laws specify a one year term so they will have to run and take their chances like any other H/O. The top five vote getters will be your BOD. Since your by-laws are silent on the matter, I would then let the BOD pick the officer positions themselves. H/O would be able to vote for up to five different people on the ballot.

Cumulative voting means you can cast all of your votes for the same person, which your documents prohibit.

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MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By StevenG3 on 10/13/2008 12:44 PM
Glen:

Thank you for taking the time to reply. All of your suggestions are in our ByLaws Rev. 2 - it's just a matter of what do we do right now with the election 3-months away. Thanks for the imput though - I'm glad to see that someone on the outside considers our current bylaws too generic.

We are self-managed. The Association was managed by a PM when the Developer was in the state. The Developer and the PM left at the same time and a freshman BOD stepped in.

I'll continue to do research and hopefully find a clear direction.

Incase anyone new is reading, I'm going to sum up my questions again.

We have 5 positions right now. 3 people want to stay on for next year. How do we determine who will be where? Do we hold an election based on each position (all 5), or hold an general election and the folks with the top 5 votes are the new board members? If you take the later of the two options, how do you determine who ends up where? When the Developer turned the HOA over to the BOD in May, we voted for 3 people. How many votes do we get to cast? The ByLaws say cumulative voting is not permitted.

Steven,

I took a quick peek at your bylaws. Thx for posting them; it's really helpful in order to give an educated opinion.

The meeting notice must be mailed at least 30 days, but not more than 60 days, b/4 the meeting. I would suggest including the proxy form, the ballot and the agenda in the meeting notice. The bylaws do not state a date when the annual meeting must take place; therefore, the board may make this decision. The bylaws outline the agenda for a meeting. The quorum for the meeting is 60% of the members present, in person or by proxy, who are entitled to vote (meaning only those who are not delinquent in assessments).

The bylaws also call for a nominating committee comprised of one board member who shall be the chairman and 2 members. This nominating committee should be soliciting candidates for their slate. Anyone who is a member of the assn is eligible to run. Nominations from the floor are also allowed.

You bylaws indicate each board member only serves until the next annual meeting, or one year. This means all the current board members will be up for election. Even though some board members have stated they want to stay on, they still have to run for the position. The bylaws stated 3 board positions but allowed for a larger number but the number wasn't stated -- there was a blank. I found this quite unusual; however, IMO, this means the board can be increased by the board members. If there are 5 board members now, then there will be 5 positions open. The bylaws state a majority vote is required. That means all candidates must recieve at least a majority vote. Who ever receives the highest number of votes is elected.

The bylaws did not state how the officers are "elected". Therefore, I would suggest the procedure that is used by most HOAs. The elected board of directors chooses among themselves who will serve in each of the officer positions. If there are more than 4 directors on the board the additional directors are referred to as directors at large. When this procedure is stated in the bylaws it is also stated that the elected board must meet w/i a week after the election to make this decision.

Each member of the assn who is eligible to vote (meaning they are not delinquent in payment of assessments) may do so; however only one vote per lot may be cast. If a property is owned by more than one individual they must decide among themselves who will cast the vote.

I hope I have answered all your questions!

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Steven - your bylaws say that the persons with the most votes are elected. So if you have 9 people who are nominated for the 5 positions, then the TOP 5 vote getters are the new board.

Let the Board elect their own officers at an election at their first meeting of the year. They need to establish a firm date for the Annual Meeting and also the terms of each board member.

Your bylaws need to be tightened up. Establish a Bylaw Committee or get a parlimentarian to help you out, ASAP.

Good luck.
StevenG3 (Kentucky)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you Glen and Mary for your response.

Glen, you are correct - the three of us will have to run for re-election. We did realize this but were not sure how the two vacent seats would be filled. I'll go with your response and well as Mary and top top 5 vote getters are the new BOD.

Mary, you answered a lot of my questions and I feel more comfortable now than I did prior to posting the message - thank you. I still have a couple questions.

1. Before leaving, the Developer sold the remaining lots to a property invester (not a Builder). Does the owner of the lots get to cast 1 vote for each of the lots he owns (a total of 45)?

2. Voting with a proxy has not clicked for me as well as it should. Can you elaborate how this process works or point me into a better direction?

Thank you in advance to all who respond.

-Steven
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Yes the investor would be able to cast a ballot for each of his properties as long as he is current with his assessments. A proxy is a limited power of attorney allowing a person to act in place of another for a specific purpose. It is used to establish quorum and in the case of a directed proxy to cast votes.

Sample Proxy
Proxy for the 2000 Annual Homeowners Meeting

Please fill out and mail the proxy and ballot even if you plan on attending the meeting in person. This will allow the meeting to take place even if circumstances prevent you from attending. When you sign in at the meeting this proxy and ballot will be destroyed and you may vote as you see fit.

I the undersigned homeowner, will not be able to attend the Annual Homeowners
Meeting on February 28, 2000 but authorize XXXX XXXXX as secretary of the
Association to accept my proxy to allow the meeting to take place and to cast my

__________ votes for the following members for election to the Board of directors.

Do not vote for more than three (3) candidates. You can not vote more than once for any candidate. If you vote for more than three (3) candidates only the first three (3) votes will be counted.

__________ Steven
__________ Mary
__________ Glen
__________ Henry
__________ ______________________
__________ ______________________
__________ ______________________

I the undersigned homeowner, will not be able to attend the Annual Homeowners
Meeting on February 28, 2000 but authorize _____________________________
__________ to be my proxy and to act in my place in all matters requiring a vote.

NOTE: You may revoke your proxy at any time in writing prior to February 28, 2000 or by appearing in person at the meeting. Only one person may vote per unit even if there are multiple owners of the unit.

Homeowner ____________________________________ (Please Print)

Address ________ XXXXX XXXX XX. Unit Number ________
Cincinnati, Ohio 45XXX

Telephone Number ____________________

Signature _________________________________________ Date _____/_____/2000


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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Steven - the definition of "member" will tell you how many votes an owner has. (One OR one for each property owned)
StevenG3 (Kentucky)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thank you Glen for taking the time to send me the proxy. It's comeing together now.

Thanks Susan for the clarification. I apprecaite the help from the two of you as well as anyone else who has contributed.

I hope I do not have any extra questions, but if I know, I know where I can reach the experts. ;-)

Again, thank you for your service.

-Steven

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