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HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 89
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Question for you HOA experts! My HOA budget is currently showing $5200 in Fiduciary Reserves. This is 1500 for Liability Insurance, 1500 for Future Legal Expenses, and $2200 for Future Capital Improvements. I still question the validity of all of those amounts except the Capital Improvements.

But anyhow, we currently have $7500 locked up in two different CD's. One expires in November for $2500. Since we are currently below budget and at the end of the year (calendar=fiscal), what should happen with this $2500? Doesn't it HAVE to be spent since it's not in reserve and we are a non-profit? I certainly don't see the need to further increase our reserve based on our lack of common areas.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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Heather,
How big is your developement and what type of buildings are you? Condo, stand alone homes, vills? Your excess is not that large and can be rebudgeted if done correctly. Never cut yourself too tight that a special assessment will be always near by.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By HeatherJ1 on 10/06/2008 8:02 AM
Question for you HOA experts! My HOA budget is currently showing $5200 in Fiduciary Reserves. This is 1500 for Liability Insurance, 1500 for Future Legal Expenses, and $2200 for Future Capital Improvements. I still question the validity of all of those amounts except the Capital Improvements.

But anyhow, we currently have $7500 locked up in two different CD's. One expires in November for $2500. Since we are currently below budget and at the end of the year (calendar=fiscal), what should happen with this $2500? Doesn't it HAVE to be spent since it's not in reserve and we are a non-profit? I certainly don't see the need to further increase our reserve based on our lack of common areas.

Heather,

First of all the reserves for capital improvements should be in a separate account -- that is, separate from the other "reserve" amounts. The "reserve" amounts for fiduciary (not sure what this is!) and liability ins should be called a "contingency fund".

The fact that one CD will come due, and if not rolled over, the money put into your checking account, doesn't mean it's "left over"! "Left over" funds are those which haven't been spent at the end of the year, i.e., $20,000 budgeted but only $18,000 spent. Also, being a nonprofit corp doesn't mean any "left over" funds at year-end must be spent. Most assn's either leave the $$$ in the checking account or roll it into their reserve account (that is the account for capital improvements).

What I would do is roll over the CD in Nov and label it "reserve fund" (for capital improvements). The other CD should then be earmarked "contingency". When the contingency CD comes due reduce the amount and deposit the balance into the checking account to subsidize your operating account.
HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 89
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We have 70 stand alone houses. The only common areas are strips of grass and small entrance signs (I've posted this part before). (no pool, playground, etc...)

Our budget for 2008 is $10,311.00. We started with $8806.56 last year in the checkbook and brought in $9159.85 (from dues, late fees, etc...) So, total assets of $17,966.41 but only spent so far $9265.13 from the budget. That gives $8701.28 surplus , leftover or whatever it is called (it is called "cash balance" on our budget spreadsheet). Out of that $8701, $7500 worth of CD's were purchased. Out of that 7500, 5200 is earmarked as the research. Maybe the "true surplus" is $10,311 {budget] less $8701.28 [cash balance] which would be $1609.72??

So the suggestion is all of this $8701.28 should go to reserve? Every year we just keep growing the reserve instead of helping to fund some of our committees (Activities, etc...).

Thanks for your help and patience as I'm clueless on this HOA stuff and trying to learn from this great site!!!
HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 89
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earmarked as the "reserve" not research!! I wish I could edit my messages on here!!!
HeatherJ1 (South Carolina)
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Posted By MaryA1 on 10/06/2008 8:20 AM


First of all the reserves for capital improvements should be in a separate account -- that is, separate from the other "reserve" amounts. The "reserve" amounts for fiduciary (not sure what this is!) and liability ins should be called a "contingency fund".

What I would do is roll over the CD in Nov and label it "reserve fund" (for capital improvements). The other CD should then be earmarked "contingency". When the contingency CD comes due reduce the amount and deposit the balance into the checking account to subsidize your operating account.

Ok, just saw this. Interesting on that it's supposed to be separated. Wonder if that's different per state or is that standard?

Good idea on rolling one CD back into operating budget. The 2nd one doesn't come due until September of next year, though. Kinda strange.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Heather,

It's pretty much an industry standard practice to have a separate reserve fund for capital improvements only. In fact, the assn should have a reserve study performed (and updated about every 3 years) to determine what assets should be placed in the reserve fund and how much should be contributed monthly.

Now, I didn't suggest rolling over the remaining CD into the operating budget. I suggested rolling over a portion of it and also calling it a contingency fund. This will eliminate any confusion by calling both funds "reserves". The contingency fund should have at least $1,500 for the ins. deductible. I'm not sure what the "fiduciary" fund is for but it's not a bad idea to have a certain amount of $$$ set aside to subsidize the operating account.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
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a non profit agency CAN HAVE unspent money at the end of each year. they simply roll it over to the next year. as long as you have a solid reason for building the money up, you will be okay with the IRS. I am sure you have reserves that could be built up, rainy day fund, or just operating expenses that are expected to increase next year.

non profits can't take profits out of the company. they can, in the short term, take "profits" as long as they expend them back into the organization.

(not a tax lawyer or anything, just common advice).

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Brian,

This is NOT money left over at year end. This is money from a CD that will come due in Nov.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Heather, with no capital items to replace, I would consider reducing the assessments to prevent amassing so much in extra funds. There is nothing wrong with having a cushion; in fact many documents specify having X number of dollars in an operating account.

Have you checked your documents to see if excess funds are addressed? Before Ohio changed the law to allow us to place year end surpluses into reserves our documents specified that the excess monies would be returned to the H/O in the form of reduced assessments.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
NL (Virginia)
Posts: 43
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Who is responsible for replacing sidewalks, curbing, the street etc.
If the HOA is responsible nothing wrong with increasing the reserve, better to have to much money now than a special assessement later.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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NL -please start another thread.

Heather - WHY did you START out with over $8,000 in the checkbook with a $10,000 budget?

Looks like this has been happening for a while.
BrianB (California)
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Posted By MaryA1 on 10/06/2008 11:47 AM
Brian,

This is NOT money left over at year end. This is money from a CD that will come due in Nov.

I called it money left over at the end of the year because that is what the OP titled her thread called it. I don't care about the source of it, I assumed her question was "do we have to spend this money by the end of the year".

NL (Virginia)
Posts: 43
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SusanW1, what is your problem, I don't see you giving any sound advice.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By BrianB on 10/06/2008 2:52 PM
Posted By MaryA1 on 10/06/2008 11:47 AM
Brian,

This is NOT money left over at year end. This is money from a CD that will come due in Nov.


I called it money left over at the end of the year because that is what the OP titled her thread called it. I don't care about the source of it, I assumed her question was "do we have to spend this money by the end of the year".


Brian,

Yeah, I know that's what she called it, but if you read her initial post you will note that she's referring to a $25,000 CD that will come due in Nov. I think she's referring to it as "money left over" because it will be extra $$$ in the checkbook.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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Sorry NL - I thought you were asking a question to be the subject of another thread.

I wish people would use "Reserve Fund" and "reserves"

It looks like there is ONE checking account here that contains all funds. Perhaps taking this amount out and establishing a separate "Reserve Fund" with its own report would help to clear up confusion. Keep the annual operatiing funds in its own account.

NL (Virginia)
Posts: 43
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Susan W, thanks. you are right about using correct wording....can get very confusing sometimes.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By HeatherJ1 on 10/06/2008 8:37 AM
We have 70 stand alone houses. The only common areas are strips of grass and small entrance signs (I've posted this part before). (no pool, playground, etc...)

Our budget for 2008 is $10,311.00. We started with $8806.56 last year in the checkbook and brought in $9159.85 (from dues, late fees, etc...) So, total assets of $17,966.41 but only spent so far $9265.13 from the budget. That gives $8701.28 surplus , leftover or whatever it is called (it is called "cash balance" on our budget spreadsheet). Out of that $8701, $7500 worth of CD's were purchased. Out of that 7500, 5200 is earmarked as the research. Maybe the "true surplus" is $10,311 {budget] less $8701.28 [cash balance] which would be $1609.72??

So the suggestion is all of this $8701.28 should go to reserve? Every year we just keep growing the reserve instead of helping to fund some of our committees (Activities, etc...).

Thanks for your help and patience as I'm clueless on this HOA stuff and trying to learn from this great site!!!

Heather,

Sorry, I just saw this message you posted.

It appears to me you are very confused at what "surplus" or "money left over" means. At first I thought you were referring to the $2,500 CD that will come due in Nov as "money left over". Now, I'm not quite sure what you're referring to.

The amount of money in the checking account should not be shown on the budget as "income". Income only represents anticipated assessments and any other anticipated payments received by the assn. Any monies in the checking account can be used as a cushion or some of those monies can be transferred to a "reserve" (capital improvement) account. If the budget shows total income as $10,000 and total expenses as $10,000 (no surplus), but the actual income at year-end is $12,000 and the actual expenses are $11,000 that means there is $1,000 left over (excess monies or a surplus -- whatever you want to call it). The assn does not have to spend these monies. They can leave the excess in the checking account or transfer it to the reserve (capital improvement)account.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
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What Mary said.

Though parking some/all that you don't need for operating in a MM or CD at least can earn a bit of interest.

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