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TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
I wanted to open up this discussion to find out when and what would cause someone to resign from a position of the Board as President.

What would have to happen to call for your resignation upon personal review of yourself and your position.

Family
Neighbors
Stress

What is it that it would take for you too resign?
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Tamara, I've been going back and forth in my mind trying to answer your question, because all three of the things you mentioned are all valid reasons to give up.

Family issues should always, first and foremost, come ahead of any board position. When one has a family crisis it becomes very easy to look at having a position on a board, as something that in the "grand scheme" of things doesn't mean crap. All that really matters is family.

Neighbors....We as board members start out wanting to be on the board to help our neighbors and to provide them with the best possible living environment. Then as time goes on, it's those same neighbors who turn on you and critisize everything you do, and can be very abusive toward everything you say and every action you take. You eventually want to give up trying to explain and defend everything you do.

Stress.....Some board members have the ability to attend meetings then just forget about things until the next one. For others, the responsibilities seem to take on a life of their own, and the board duties consume their every waking moment. The stress that that causes becomes almost unbearable. Just when we think we have one thing finally settled, someone throws another thing at us and expects us to clean it up. Stress can cause all types of serious medical problems. When the duties of being a board member make us physically ill then maybe it's time to..........

I'm curious as to why you're asking this question. But I have a feeling you're grappling with staying on your board? I know how hard it is.

CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
TamaraW

Funny you should ask. I am resigning (after two years as VP) on October 28th. I’ve enjoyed being as involved as I have been, but now I will be devoting ALL my time in caring for our son. As I will be a stay at home Dad!

It will be interesting to read the other posts thus far.

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Well, when it no longer beomce enjoyable is where I draw the line.

I like the "stress" of working with a group to move an association along, (heck, I like a good controversery and even an argument or two) but when there are obstacles that I can see are entrenced, I get out.

I like serving on Committees. You can really get more done on a committee than serving on the board, IMHO.

Learned that after 25 years . . .

BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Hi Tamara,

You have got me thinking this AM with my coffee – especially as your question pertains to me. Let’s see...there were several factors; wasn’t any one alone, but all had some part. I have listed these in some order of priority as they pertained to me and our board. Ultimately, this is a personal decision, and was not an easy decision to make, especially as our homeowners are a fairly apathetic group and we have rarely been able to keep a full board in place (currently have 4 of 5 directors in place with 2 having served almost as long as me, a 3rd also a “long timer” and one who will likely resign at end of term). I was on the board since turnover (1995ish), having served as pres for ~7 or 8 years.

1. Stress when it has a negative impact on one’s health – and already done the recommended stress reducing techniques/life style changes
2. Board dynamics – decline in functionality
3. Need for new thinking/approaches
4. Personality conflicts between board members (“in-fighting”)

I would also say that when a pres decides to step down, be prepared for any response as it may not be what you expect. When I resigned as pres they were not happy, and blamed me for not keeping on with my responsibilities rather than try to understand my reasons (I experienced a lot of resentment and a decline in communication – but that is another story). I gave the board another year of service, but things did not improve (actually board functionality worsened); so I did not run again when my term was up as I thought it was time for new/fresh thinking and approaches.

I notice that Anna responded while I have been preparing my response. I agree with her response. And, would add that in my case, my non board neighbors had nothing to do with my decision as they did not act in that way – it was my “on the board” neighbors’ actions had an impact on my decision.

As Anna asked...are you grappling with this question yourself? On another thread you had mentioned that you love serving/volunteer work. There are many other opportunities out there to serve.

Now, I would like to be an official volunteer (this board will not allow committees but am hoping and working for a change with the next election/annual meeting) – and am considering running again.

I hope this helps,
Bonnie

P.S. another responder...I am surely a slow typist! :-)

Congratulations on your son and the best to you, Chuck, as you become a stay at home dad!
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Susan – you said what I was trying to convey quite succinctly!

BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Susan – you said what I was trying to convey quite succinctly!

TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Thanks for what I feel are some very thought through responses. I am considering my resignation before my term is up. I do not believe in quitting and have always looked down on people who did not in the most fulfill their terms because of the situation it puts the BOD and community in when reasons of resignation came without a really good reason such as moving, health or issues that have changed ones life.

I am not tooting my own horn, but am simple stating the facts. I am the strength on the Board. I am the one that gets things done and done correctly. Aside from myself and another BOD nobody else has knowledge of what the Declarations and Bylaws even are.

Due to a health situation for me I was unable to attend the last meeting. Choices were made without motions and based on personal impact and not impact on the community as a whole even though they had the information that the community in whole would be negatively impacted.

Pea Gravel voted down once because of statements I received from lawncare companies on how they would view this when bidding on our property. It would raise our rates, as they figure in "possible liabilities" our community creates and work that into their bid. This is too keep the cost of their insurance down. Makes sense too me. In my absence it was voted for approval without any motions by the BOD/my neighbor who manipulated the floor in my absence. AND nobody stopped her. Nobody caught this and I feel I have to step in and be the "bad guy".

Now I have to clean up their mess.

I have Board members opposing me on things I research and submit to the Board based on their opinions and them seeking the same research with failure to ask the correct questions.

We have a park. A huge park. There is no irrigation there. There is no piping under the park that we can tap into to pay for irrigation. The cost of laying this infrastructure is not something we want to do. We have a fire hydrant at the park. We can tap into that several different ways. I called the city, fire houses and everyone I could think of to make sure we did not need a permit, this was legal and so forth. When we met at the park with neighbors to discuss what everyone would like to see we had a BOD show up and tell everyone my idea would compromise and put a house at risk of being burnt down in order to water the grass. She was speaking of ignorance and I reassured her this would not happen and she should do the same research as I if she had worries. So she did and strongly opposed what I said. The only problem was is apparently she does not know where we live. She gave the wrong information - and therefore received the wrong answers and caused a BIG HUGE upset over nothing.

We were encouraged by our "team" at the PM Company during a walk through to raise our curb appeal. Many area's of the community were put in the "unsightly" category - this mainly has to do with irrigation and lack of visual appeal at the park. The Board was OK with working towards making that area more visually appealing. So I spent hours of my time requesting bids from different vendors, meeting with them and getting some real nice things together. The BOD was involved in this. So at the meeting it was tabled, no decisions were made. BUT since on BOD wanted speed bumps, those were approved.

It appears everyone used the floor in my absence to push their personal agendas and dismissed everything I had been working on for the community. I have lost faith in the Board to make the correct choices. They want to push me and/or the BOD to have a waiver of fees, but cannot OK a reward for little ones that help me help the community. ?? That just seems so selfish to me. Their actions are creating too much work for me and are not productive.

But, here is the catch.........for the same reasons I stated I want too stay on the Board. I was off for a year and nothing was maintained and that Board fulfilled their personal agenda's, while ignoring the community.

- Really big decision. Sorry for the long post, I am just worn. CHARLES CONGRATS TOO YOU!

TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Oh and did I mention at the meeting my fellow BOD's voted in a renter with POA who always refers to everyone as Bit**, wh*re and also has no knowledge of the governing documents too the Board.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Tamara,
Do your governing documents allow NON owners to sit on the Board?
BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:
Tamara...what you said sounds SO familiar. But you have to make your health your priority (along with your family...). Similar things have happened here since I resigned (as you may have noted from my posts!)

I had to accept the fact that the current board was going to do it their way – even if the wrong way, or differently from how I would have done it. I could either “fight”, or let it go. I let it go (and a little prayer went a long way to help me).

Tamara – make the right decision for you and your circumstances. And, do not call yourself a quitter!

American Heritage Dictionary: quit•ter
(kwĭt'ər)
n. One who gives up easily.

This most certainly does not sound like you.

And, new people will get on the board; they will learn – eventually – give them time. Back to my case - the board did come to realize and implement a few of the things I tried to get done; although they have not done others. I’m giving them time...and with improvements in my health, am now considering some options.

Take care,
Bonnie
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DonnaS on 10/06/2008 12:51 PM

Tamara,
Do your governing documents allow NON owners to sit on the Board?

Our docs state under the qualification of the BOD section:

...........or a designated officer of an entity that is a homeowner

BONNIE - I LOVE YOU! I so love everyone here!

When I am done with this pea gravel thing I will be resigning. That will be the only "open issue" I am involved in. The new BOD came over and let me know that she divulged in expressing to her neighbor information about a legal issue we are taking against the neighbor. That is another story, but everything I have been working on for months to gather proof and keep this on the down low has now been erased. She has been on the Board less than a week and..........

Then the only thing I face is us not having a BOD. 2 current BOD's already told me if I do resign they will come with me. Maybe it is time for that. We will find out.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Tamara - sometimes you just have to let other people be wrong.

If you think you have to win EVERY battle on the board, you are in for a big disappointment.

It sounds like the board needs you, but you can dial down the intensity, too.

Whether you want to leave is your decision.
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Susan, thanks. I really wanted to find out what would cause people to resign. When would you?

I am so good at letting people be wrong. My children, my husband and my loved ones. Because I believe through being wrong you can actually learn valuable lessons. However, to me this is a business. We are in charge of a part of neighbors financial investments. I cannot allow those who oversee that small investment to be wrong. That is why I and all of us bought into a HOA. To have someone to "protect" our investment in the neighborhood.

I do not have anything in my core being that will allow me to tone down the intensity of something I feel passionately about. I am not intense about much, but when I lock my teeth into something I am tenacious.

BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
Posted:

Tamara – I empathize with you. I suggest taking Susan’s advice and following your own philosophy: ”sometimes you just have to let other people be wrong” -and- “Because I believe through being wrong you can actually learn valuable lessons.”

Yes, I, too, want my investment protected. I have to believe that is true of my board members. I have to think that is true for yours, too. But they are learning, and bumbling some along the way (or will learn as they bumble along the way). Maybe you need to take a step back and let things go the way they may go.

My decision to resign was, and still is, difficult for me – but it has gotten better over time. My perspective has changed. And, remember that you will still have choices in the future – no decision is final.

Try turning your question around from what is the worst that can happen if you resign – to – what doors will be opened for you when you resign? More time for and with your loved ones - your husband and children? More time for yourself to pursue...? Better health?

Go back and read Donna’s “just to lighten the mood”. It is great for another laugh!

Bonnie

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