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MichelleW (Texas)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Some of you have read my posts regarding my neighbor who hasn't been paying his HOA dues and has generally been a complete jerk to me and to the other Board members. Unfortunately, he lives in the unit next to mine so we have an adjoining wall. For the past two nights he has either been running a fan or some other appliance in his unit which eminates a loud vibrating sound into my unit making it impossible for me to sleep. I wrote his a very polite email requesting he remove the appliance/fan which I blind-copied to the other Board members. His response to me was this, "You want my help? F*** YOU!"

I forwarded the email to our property manager and expect we'll have to send an official letter to him quoting the Bylaws in regard to obnoxious noises. Any other suggestions?

By the way, we're placing a lien against his property for the deliquent HOA dues, but in past communication he's had with other Board members, he has stated (in writing) that he intends to make the Board's life hell for the duration of his stay here.

Should I start looking for a new place to live?
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
Contact the hoa attorney and have them send a letter to him regarding his threats and actions toward the board members. Save all the emails, etc., that he sends to you with the nasty language in it. You may need it later.
MichelleW (Texas)
Posts: 25
Posted:
We're such a small property (only 10 units) that we don't have an HOA attorney because we only hire an attorney for really critical matters due to financial reasons. Maybe having the property management company send him a letter regarding such actions and quoting the bylaws and rules/regs? I'm already saving all the emails and I don't respond to his inappropriate responses because it adds fuel to his fire. Other Board members are advising me to call the police, but it seems rather trivial for involving them?
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Michelle, I presume your Declaration has a restriction he is violating, if there is no specific restriction than look under nuisances. If necessary the Board can create Rules and Regulations which further define restrictions. And create Rules and Regulations on Enforcement of Covenants and Rules. Then start notifying him and fining him. If he continues the fine should esculate in amount until he decides to shape up or ship out.

Beware this process will esculate his hostility so you should report each such incident to the Police. They probably will not do anything besides talk to him, but it will build a documented record along with your emails in case this ultimately requires legal action by the HOA or intervention by the Police.
WilliamT (Arizona)
Posts: 489
Posted:
Check your local ordinances for nuisance laws. If he is creating a nuisance that is in violation of an ordinance then the only leverage you have is to first record the noise and second call the police while the noise is happening.

They will hear the noise and can investigate the complaint. If the noise stops then you have the recording.

In our area for barking dog nuisances, there must be two witnesses to the noise, and the responding police officer can be the second witness.

Chances are that the noise bothers him as much as it does you, and if you appear to not be bothered by it then he'll stop.

Bill
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Michelle:

If he was keeping me up I would contact the police. If possible have a tape recorder available to document the level of noise. It is unfortunate he is acting like a baby, I wouldn't even contact him anymore.
MichelleW (Texas)
Posts: 25
Posted:
Yes, I think probably the best thing to do is to send him a letter stating the noise violation, but I'm hesitant to call the police because I really don't think it's loud enough to warrant a disturbance of the peace but it's definitely annoying while I'm trying to sleep. My hope is to wait this out (and buy earplugs in the interim) and see if he'll stop.

I work in the field of mental health and I know this guy is not a well person so I'm limiting interaction with him as much as possible. People like this guy can be scary so I'm thankful I have a supportive Board and other neighbors who also know the kind of character we're dealing with; however, if it crosses over to harassment or some other legal issue, I'll definitely pursue it.
MichelleW (Texas)
Posts: 25
Posted:
This guy is now verging on the line of harassment... I checked my email today which has been the prime method for our small HOA to keep in communication regarding updates about the property. We recently had new mailboxes installed which I shared with everyone via email and another Board member replied to all on the mailing list to thank me for getting the mailboxes in such a timely fashion, etc. The annoying guy I've been talking about in these posts decided to reply to all on our HOA mailing list with a response of, "Gee, could (Board member) be further up Michelle's a**?"

So, I'm saving all of these emails in case I need to use them later. Any other suggestions? Do I have any legal recourse at this point? I, of course, never respond to such emails and just move them to my saved folder. One good thing...at least he's fully exposing his nastiness to all the HOA members though I'm certain his intent is primarily directed at trying to get me upset.

Michelle
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Michelle, he obviously doesn't realize "it is better to keep one's mouth shut and be thought to be a fool than to speak and remove all doubt."
JulieS (Georgia)
Posts: 412
Posted:
There is a native indian saying: never trust the man ever so eager to speak. At least he is making a fool of himself to everyone and not just you. This should build your case in the future if you ever need it.

I had a situation with a homeowner emailing me nasty things. Frankly, this person has been a thorn in my side for 8 years. I politely requested that she not send me emails anymore. Her idea was that I had to accept her emails because I was a board member, but the attorney said I did not have to accept them because I volunteer and am not a paid employee. She still emailed me so I added her email address to the junk email list. Anything that came through from her, I would not see as it went straight to the junk folder.
RobertD2 (California)
Posts: 1
Posted:
My wife and I are currently living with an even worse circumstance. We are owners and our ā€œnuisanceā€ is the renter below us. This woman has had numerous confrontations with other owners regarding and unauthorized dog and it’s barking prior to our buying in here. She likes to play jazz and leaves it playing load enough to be heard in the common area up to 50 feet away at times. I get to hear it through my floor most of the time. She even leaves it playing when she’s not at home for hours at a time. Apparently she leaves it playing ā€œfor her birdsā€, so I’ve been told by others. She came to our door to complain about our when we had our carpet put in and has banged and slammed around below us for almost 10 months now. She’s cursed at my wife and I out her window and yelled at our neighbor and her family who was doing nothing more than helping her move in to her new place. She yelled at a board member at the board members front door regarding numerous parking violations. She’s gone to the management company and yelled at them there as well. The most that the management has done is to fine the owner $25 a couple of times. But the ā€œnuisance behaviorā€ continues after a short time for me to hear. The board members, our neighbor and my wife and I do not speak to this person as she has demonstrated that she is volatile and no good would come of being confrontational with her. This woman is in her early 60’s and is about 6’2ā€ or more. I don’t know if she’s a drinker or mentally ill, but I know she’s mentally unstable as I have both education and experience in the mental health field as does my wife and coincidently, so does our neighbor. I’m in my late 50’s and feel that the board and management company are just afraid to deal with this person out of complacency and/or fear. I’m ready to take action myself but am not sure what to do short or calling the police continually or a lawyer. My wife and I have a good relationship with the board and the management company and feel caught in the middle with no where to turn.
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Robert, ask your Board to establish and enforce a stricter policy on enforcement and fines for restrictions violations. For example the first violation could be $50 and repeat violations doubled for each time within any 12 month period.
AlecT (South Carolina)
Posts: 2
Posted:
once heard of a problem like yours was solved when the owner was called everytime the noise was too loud tennant lasted just 30 days after that
LanceT (Alabama)
Posts: 121
Posted:
I am one of those people who separates "HOA" issues from "Police" issues. I don't believe the HOA is responsible for behavior of a resident. It may be a contributing factor but NOT a responsibility.
Harrassment, nuisances, or threats are POLICE matters. Call the police when the neighbor is too noisy or is harrassing/making negative statements.
The HOA can make rules of limiting noise, parking, or maintenance conformance but enforcing the rules is difficult or non-existant. Fines aren't "lienable". ONLY non-payment of dues are (other exceptions exist). So depending on a HOA putting liens or giving out fines to correct a situation may not be your best option to resolve an issue.
Please talk to the police to see what legal options you have. You may find better options.

Recovering Ex-President of a HOA
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i agree with lance, with a bit of the other advice thrown in. Call the police EVERY time. Sure, they will get to dislike you, but they are smart enough to know where the real problem is, and begin to throw tougher and tougher discipline toward the neighbor.

Notify the HOA board/MC EVERY time, and demand that they send letters, notices, etc. EACH time. Again, the owner/renter will get tired of it all, and it adds up quickly.

MikeS1
Posts: 668
Posted:
Also, a lot of states (like Virginia) have "Curse&Abuse" laws. I carry a micro-recorder for making quick notes and wouldn't hesitate to use it in a New-York minute if someone decided that they were going to curse at me. It's legal in Virginia to record a conversation between two people as long as one of them knows that the conversation is being recorded. I wouldn't hesitate to use the recording to put them in Jail. It's a serious class 3 misdemeanor in Virginia. I do know several people that have been prosecuted for this. The curse and abuse law also covers illicit jestures. "Book'em Dano"!
RonaldW (South Carolina)
Posts: 901
Posted:
Posted By MichelleW on 07/21/2006 3:37 PM
......... Other Board members are advising me to call the police, but it seems rather trivial for involving them?


How trivial is is for you?

This guy has figured out how to "push your button". He wouldn't do this to you if you were a large male but he's comfortable intimidating you because you are a female.

A suggestion was made to record the noise. That won't help because the volume of the recorder can be turned up or down. Witnesses may help. You could also take a witness and go knock on his door to ask him to be quiet. A recording of that conversation would help.

I would call the police. Every time. When they come, show them the e-mails he has sent you. Print them out in advance.


Ron
SC
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
Posted By BradP on 07/22/2006 6:49 AM

Michelle:

If he was keeping me up I would contact the police. If possible have a tape recorder available to document the level of noise. It is unfortunate he is acting like a baby, I wouldn't even contact him anymore.


MichelleW,

I’ll be honest with you. I haven’t been following along, but is seems (as always) you have gotten some very good advice.

I too thought that calling the police because of noise was a bit ā€œtrivialā€, but as I was told by the office that was called. He had told me ā€œthat is his job, and you shouldn’t have to deal with thisā€ ā€œI can’t make it stop if you don’t call meā€

He also told me that a complaint is filed each and every time someone calls. I would suggest having your neighbors call when the noise is disturbing them too.

I would suggesting keeping yourself out of harms way. I would let the police handle it.

I know theatrically you would think that a simple conversation with the person would settle it, but it’s not all that often or else it would already have been done.

I would call the police!

Best of luck and keep us posted
Chuck W


Charles E. Wafer Jr.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Michelle:

I would bet if you were able to do a survey of victims of violent crimes (hard to do when someone is killed), you would find an astonishing percent of them had some behavior or pattern of behavior that foreshadowed what happened, but they felt it was too trivial to deal with. Most people that are victims of violent crimes knew they attacker in some way, shape or form.

IMO, there is nothing too trivial when it comes to your well being and safety. Don't worry about bothering someone, you didn't ask for this to happen to you.

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