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TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
I thought this was interesting. I have seen the news video's on this and the protesters. If the HOA cannot get the protesters out of the Hood, will they go after the parents who are housing the mother of the missing girl and try to evict them. ??

Wouldn't it of been easier for them to trespass the protesters. I wonder if they are private or city property. I wonder what their governing documents say about allowing noxious behavior. There is so much more they could of added to the story, however the story is about the little girl and that is probably more important then going into specifics about the HOA.

When does protesting become harassment?

Quote from Fox News story:
On Monday, a judge denied a central Florida homeowners association's request to keep protesters out of their neighborhood, where Caylee was reported missing in July.

Anthony's neighbors had asked the Orange County judge to force protesters and members of the media away from their homes.

In her decision, she wrote that the association again failed to adequately notify the protesters of the pleading and give them time to defend themselves against the allegations.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
To me that the HOA would attempt this, and people would think of how to make this an HOA problem is a symptom of the abuse of HOA power.

The only way the HOA has a case is if they own the streets. If they are public, then the HOA has no case or reason to stop the action. And the only involvement the HOA should consider is to ensure that the protesters do not litter, or cause unsafe conditions. If the protesters were blocking traffic, there could be a problem. If they are leaving behind trash, there could be a problem.

But we have a right to peaceable assembly. We have a right to express our opinions. We do not have a right to stop others from exercising such rights. If you don't like the protesters, then ignore them.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Must not be a gated community?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Unfortunately. this is not a gated community but the HOA really dropped the ball by not demanding that the police/county Sheriffs dept. keep some order. There are curfew rules in that area and that includes noise restrictions. The protestors should be removed at once because of obstruction of the streets and noise. I totally agree with the fact that they are angry but to cause such a disturbance will not solve this case. This entire HOA area has shown that they are not in control of enforcement of HOA rules, however lax they may be.
RW1 (Texas)
Posts: 149
Posted:
Given the facts presented HERE, The HOA did its fiduciary duty.

Individual citizens could have done/can do the same.

Partial Quote:
"On Monday, a judge denied a central Florida homeowners association's request to keep protesters out of their neighborhood..."
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Not to get technical...but I shall anyway.

According to the OP, Her Honor...

>>>...wrote that the association again failed to adequately notify the protesters of the pleading and give them time to defend themselves against the allegations.<<<

Her Honor did not rule on whether the protesters could be sent elsewhere; she said the HOA did not give them notice of the pleading so they could contest the HOA's beef.

Having said that, I agree with Donna.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

RW,
You are right about the denial of keeping them out but the police did not enforce basic laws in the disturbances going on at 2 in the morning when the protesters were throwing things against the house and Mr. Anthony was out there with a garden hose. THAT"S where it got out of hand and should have been enforced by someone. All of those folks do have a right to use the public streets but they do not have the right to disrupt traffic and the safety, peace and quiet of the other neighbors.
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DonnaS on 10/01/2008 9:53 AM

Unfortunately. this is not a gated community but the HOA really dropped the ball by not demanding that the police/county Sheriffs dept. keep some order. There are curfew rules in that area and that includes noise restrictions. The protestors should be removed at once because of obstruction of the streets and noise. I totally agree with the fact that they are angry but to cause such a disturbance will not solve this case. This entire HOA area has shown that they are not in control of enforcement of HOA rules, however lax they may be.

These were my questions. Where are the police, what led up too them, the HOA, taking it too court. I know the protests have gotten heated and in that instance, should I live in this association, I being on the Board, would be watching these protesters very carefully and call the law on them anytime they got out of hand. I would take it too the higher police authorities if the "street" police did not see that the law was upheld.

Here where we live, it is quite easy to trespass someone. However we live on private property. JUST based on the fact that a home was physically assaulted during the heat, I would think they could trespass them. The HOA should not take the law into their own hands -governing documents - they should pursue all steps to see the law officers in-force the law and possibly find alternative legal advice so they follow they can get favor in the court.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnK3 on 10/01/2008 10:16 AM
Not to get technical...but I shall anyway.

According to the OP, Her Honor...

>>>...wrote that the association again failed to adequately notify the protesters of the pleading and give them time to defend themselves against the allegations.<<<

Her Honor did not rule on whether the protesters could be sent elsewhere; she said the HOA did not give them notice of the pleading so they could contest the HOA's beef.

Having said that, I agree with Donna.


Not to seem uniformed, which I apparently am as I try to avoid tabloid fodder, what are the protesters protesting?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

John,

This is not Tabloid but a case of a missing 2 then she became 3 year old who's own mother did not report her missing for a month. The Grandmother finally called the Police when she smelled what she called " a damned dead body in the trunk of her car". The Mother has stuck with a lame story that the Nannie has kidnapped her, ficticious Nannie it has been proven. Mom had researched Chloroform and that was picked up in the trunk of the car. It is now over 3 months and no clue as to where the child is. Mom is still lieing about everything. Protesters have been outside of the house for 2 months so you can see where the other residents have had enough.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
And while the police can't officially condone it, I'm sure they are reluctant to stop it because it is keeping the pressure on the mom and her parents who are now evidently helping in the cover-up after being the ones that raised the alarm in the first place.

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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


Glen,

Those of us who have followed this case have sympathy for the Sheriffs Dept and all of the folks who are so frustrated by this nut case of a story. And I'll bet that you are right about them not wanting to step in to make the protesters go away but it doesn't seem like she (Mom) will crack. Never the less, I would be so mad if I lived on that street and had to deal with this. Thinking about the BOD and what call to make as for ridding the streets of the protesters. I bet that they want the Anthony story to go away asap.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

As an afterthought, I do NOT agree with the Judges decision. Yes, those are public streets but that was the only thing that she had right. Judges are not always right nor are they perfect either.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, I guess I'm the only dissenter here.

The HOA is not a governmental agency and it is not in the business of doing the job of the police department.

This is a matter for the police to handle and not a matter for the HOA.

Since this is a public street, the HOA board has no jurisdiction over the protesters. They cannot lean on the residents (Caylee's grandma and grandpa) since they did not INVITE the protesters onto the road, and have been vociferous in telling them to leave.

That means the HOA has to lean on the police department.

They may POSSIBLY be able to bring action against the protesters, but it seems to me that would be an upward spiraling problem.

They would have to individually sue each protester. How would they serve them? What about new protesters who show up on different days?

No, it's a police action and needs to be handled by the proper authorities.

I WOULD, in my capacity as an HOA board member, make it a point to lean on my metro councilperson or representative to have THEM lean on the police to be more diligent in keeping the protesters on a short leash, possible enforce some sort of curfew, protest zone, that sort of thing.

But it just seems to me that board itself has no jurisdiction over the protesters.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Michelle,

Look at this another time. The HOA IS private in its land owned. The streets here are apparently NOT HOA owned, therefore the public has the right to use them. What had happened, the protesters were on the HOA owned property--that is the grass areas between the streets and the sidewalks. The Judge ruled that ---"In her decision, she wrote that the association again failed to adequately notify the protesters of the pleading and give them time to defend themselves against the allegations. " This is a COMMON FOLKS, BE REAL" Now the HOA is responsible to notify the protesters that they are on private common property and are breaking all HOA rules? The HOA did indeed notify the Sheriff but the Dept failed to enforce until it got way too much for all of the neighborhood. And yes, I would raise a big stink with my councilman for sure.
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Aside from contacting everyone above the PD, I would have all neighbors surrounding the home purchase a cheap sprinkler (or purchase them through the HOA), the kind that osculate, and turn them on facing the road and surrounding areas. I would get clever until help could arrive from the officials.

I believe in protesting to a certain point, when done in a neighborhood...I don't agree with it. Homes are peoples sanctuaries, it is an invasion of ones privacy and deprives the homeowners the right to live in their homes peacefully.

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