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DianeB6 (Minnesota)
Posts: 8
Posted:
In the spring of this year we had major hail damage to roof and siding of our townhomes. The insurance company scope reported that all 18 buildings wouldl be resided. We currently have some vinyl and some alumium siding. The BOD made a decision regarding the type and colors of the siding and have ordered the products. We did not ask the homeowners what type or colors they prefer on the buildings. We chose 3 colors that are Firebrick, Russet, and Blue Steel. They are fashionable colors that are used in new townhome markets today. I know this is a drastic change from the current dark gray and light gray, but the BOD feels it will improve our 1980's look. Now we have an up roar in our community, because we did not ask the homeowners their opinion of type and color. The board is not obligated to request input from the homeowners so the decision was make by the BOD. Should the BOD have asked the homeowners to vote on this. We now have a petition from 1/4 of the homeowners to discuss the residing. Now we will have a meeting in 2 weeks regarding this issue, but the siding is ordered and will arrive before the meeting. Any advise is greatly appreciated.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
You know, Diane, this is just one more example of a board that has no understanding of its larger role in the community. You have dispassionately and fairly explained that the board, indeed, has the power to make the decision it did.

Far too often homeowners association boards become consumed with their own power, and they fail to see what is in the best interest of the community. In this case, that interest would be best served by seeking the broader membership to participate in the decision.

However, since color is a matter of taste, and as you have witnessed, divisive, I would not have counseled a vote of the community. Instead, I would counsel one or two open meetings to discuss color selection to let all who are concerned to express opinions. The board would then have a stronger mandate to move forward. And, it would avoid the extant controversy.

It is unfortunately accurate to state that boards tend to attract people who have a desire to control the lives of others, rather than to serve their neighbors. In such cases, boards are petty dictators, rather than servant leaders.

Equally important, boards often fall victim group think and to the Abilene Paradox, making a decision that no one of the individually would have made independently.

A truly wise board knows (perhaps instinctly) when a decision needs consideration by the entire community. Sadly, wisdom is not a criteria for election to a homeowners association board.

With the siding arriving soon, it may be quite costly for the association to change its mind. But it is certainly worth a try.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
It would have been nice to at least ASK.

Best case senario: An ad hoc committee of residents AND a few board members could have met and come up with 3-5 possible choices, then the membership have the final say.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Diane unless the contract for the residing specifically give the contractor the rights to the discarded material; it may be to the HOA's advantage to collect and recycle the aluminum siding rather than having the contractor haul it away.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 09/27/2008 7:00 AM

Far too often homeowners association boards become consumed with their own power, and they fail to see what is in the best interest of the community. In this case, that interest would be best served by seeking the broader membership to participate in the decision.

It is unfortunately accurate to state that boards tend to attract people who have a desire to control the lives of others, rather than to serve their neighbors. In such cases, boards are petty dictators, rather than servant leaders.

Sadly, wisdom is not a criteria for election to a homeowners association board.


George, as Ronald Regan used to say, "There you go again." Of course Board's tend to have leaders on them, because followers just sit back and complain. Would it have been nice for Diane's BOD to have involved H/O in the discussion? Yes it would have. Were they in the wrong to make the decision? No they were not. Members of the Board are elected to run the day to day operation of the HOA and make decisions on behalf of other H/O.

"Sadly, wisdom is not a criteria for election to a homeowners association board."

These are exactly the people that the founding fathers envisioned as our leaders. They dreamed of regular people giving of their time to lead, instead of the "professional" politicians and sycophants that inhabit government. Not looking out for what is best for all but what benefits them or their benefactors. So it's understandable that BOD members get carried away sometimes, they have such shinning examples to emulate.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Being misquoted is no fun. I wrote, >servant leaders, not just leader. A dictator is a leader, but in most cases, not a servant leader.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
If 25% of the owners signed a petition to discuss the siding, then the BOD made a mistake in their actions. The simple fact is, that you probably just met the bar for recall at the time. Sure your actions were legal. But that doesn't make them right. There is a world of difference between the two.

I would strongly recommend that you postpone starting any installation. You should also apologize for not having the forethought to engage the community in the change. You decided unilaterally to make a major change to the place. A full quarter of the residents are upset enough to sign a petition. The only conclusion I can draw is that you broke the trust of your neighbors. Don't get shocked if you lose the next election.

I would recommend that you change attitude and apologize. Start looking for ways to bring about peace. Get to the root of the problem and deal with the root instead of the symptom. (Most likely not the color choice, but the fact you don't see a reason to be concerned with the feelings of those who elected you.)
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
If you signed a contract for purple siding - and the contractor ordered it and is going to deliver it tomorrow, you better believe that you have bought purple siding.

Can you exchange it for another color? Perhaps, but expect a re-stocking fee and an angry contractor and delays in the job.

Your Board had the right to determine the colors. Your "faux pas" was not asking the residents. But you did nothing illegal, or really worthy of recall.

(Geez, weren't there any women involved in all this decision making?)
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
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... But you did nothing illegal, or really worthy of recall.

I would never presume to decide for others what is worthy of a recall. And we don't know how the residents felt about the BOD before this situation came up.
DianeB6 (Minnesota)
Posts: 8
Posted:
The presidents of the BOD and the Directors have placed the siding on hold. The BOD is forming a committee to select from 3-5 colors and will present them to the members at a special meeting in 2 weeks. The BOD realized that they acted with the advise of the Property Manager, to not include the members. The BOD has admitted that this has shaken up the members and want to correct the problem. The BOD will NOT be apologizing to the members. The members were also aware that the BOD would be selecting the colors in previous membership meetings and has been stated in the meeting minutes. We have one member that just likes to shake things up. The history of our community is to not run for the BOD, we have very low interest from the members to run for the BOD and committees. We have a lot of senior people living in the community, they are self-centered and very selfish. I think they are ready for assisted living. They should be happy that they have a Board at all.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Diane, it looks like the situation is being resolved as best it can be. Do you have any sense at all, if there is going to be any cost to the association for postponing the siding project?
DianeB6 (Minnesota)
Posts: 8
Posted:
I have not heard from our Property Manager whether there will be a cost for delaying the siding order.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Senior citizens or not, apparently someone is awake!

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