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JoanR (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
I’m in a development under Declarant control. Due to the slow real estate market, many builders are renting their spec homes. Our documents do not restrict rentals. Owners do not object to rentals but want some restrictions. An example being a minimum 6-month lease to avoid the transient situation we have now with month-to-month. After researching other rental restriction posts on this site, I gave the Declarant some proposed wording. The Declarant agreed to pursue this since he is unhappy with some of the tenants in the community, though does nothing to make the owners maintain the property. The Declarant obtained a legal opinion that the documents can be amended to incorporate rental restrictions but also gave advice to “grandfather’ owners of lots purchased prior to the recording of an amendment to not have unexpected restrictions of the use of property. We do not want to prohibit rentals only have restrictions.

My question is in the grandfathering of existing owners. Does anyone have experience with this situation or a recommendation/wording that would honor all existing rental agreements but those going forward must adhere to the restrictions? In essence, an existing owner could rent their property to a new tenant but must adhere to all other guidelines such as the minimum term of a lease. The attorney is indicating his advice is the existing owners do not need to adhere to any of the restrictions with new tenants.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
This is an "everybody but me" type of mentality - with the declarent wanting to opt out of any forthcoming rules.

Either you have restrictions on rentals - or you don't.

The FUTURE rental term contracts can be made restrictive, and those renters that are already in the homes when this new rule passes are not affected. When the house empties, and new tenants come in, THEN the new rules apply.

Now - should all these rules be in the CCR's - OR - should the CCRs simply say the Board may pass rental restriction rules?

In the meantime, the declarent has all the control. Your board is advisory, right now. But it's time to be thinking ahead.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Joan,

I would be opposed to "grandfathering" that would allow some members to continue to rent "forever". I think the alternative is to allow those who are renting to continue renting for the duration of the current lease. After the lease has expired, then they will have to abide by the same rental restrictions as everyone else. If they purchased the property for rental income only, that's just too bad. Was the development advertised that way? I don't think so!
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
To amend your documents, the vast majority of people agree with the change. So it would not make sense on that level to "grandfather" the whole thing. Now I would apply said restrictions to new leases. Thus if a owner currently has a person leasing on a month to month basis, then they are not affected until the next tenant.

I would do the following though:

- Make sure that having a non-rental house sitter doesn't count.
- Allow a builder to rent short term to people who are having a house built. I don't know that this would happen much, but know that our builder was within a week of having to put us up while my house completed as we could no longer stay in the housing we were giving up.
- Allow for the Board of Directors to make exceptions if the situation warrants it. While this could be abused, I think most of the time it allows for compassion when appropriate.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Mary,
That is exactly the problem with "Grandfathering". It is very misunderstood with the idea that whoever gets a grandfather classification, gets it forever. They do not. It means that IF there is a tenant in, they may continue to stay but when they leave, the unit then becomes liable back to the current HOA rules or covenants on record.

The reason is if some units are perpetually grandfathered in, this creates two classifications of owners, those who can rent and those who cannot rent and that is not specified in almost all CC&Rs. So, no, grandfathering must be used correctly.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
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Posted By DonnaS on 09/25/2008 6:31 PM

Mary,
That is exactly the problem with "Grandfathering". It is very misunderstood with the idea that whoever gets a grandfather classification, gets it forever. They do not. It means that IF there is a tenant in, they may continue to stay but when they leave, the unit then becomes liable back to the current HOA rules or covenants on record.

The reason is if some units are perpetually grandfathered in, this creates two classifications of owners, those who can rent and those who cannot rent and that is not specified in almost all CC&Rs. So, no, grandfathering must be used correctly.

Yes, "grandfathering" is generally understood to mean that the current status remains, until such time when the current situation CHANGES, then it reverts to the new rules.

For example, we "grandfathered" in some older fences that the owners claimed the developer gave verbal approval to them. They violate various specifications regarding new fencing rules that were developed AFTER the residents took over the association duties.

In the new guidelines/rules, all fences have to have the FINISHED side facing out. Many of the older fences do not.

They were "grandfathered" in.

However, once the fences need to be repaired or re-built, they MUST comply with the new rules that were instituted and have the finished side facing out.

JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
IMHO, this whole "grandfathering thing" is about two things:

1). The idea of "fairness" in that h/o's who bought into a community when there were no rental restrictions reasonably expected to be able to rent their home if they so desired. Now, it's certainly true that they bought into a deed restricted community and should have recognized that changes to those deed restrictions (including rental restrictions) could occur in the future. In some sets of CCRs, there are clauses relating to "disadvantaged owners" which allow AND give credence to potential lawsuits by h/o's against the HOA when these types of changes are made.

2). More practically, this strategy is used to gain acceptance (or reduce resistance) of the proposed amendment from existing owners who may be renting their homes. Given that there are many different HOA situations, it is possible that the NO votes of this substet of owners could jeopardize passing the amendment.

As such the HOA Board should give careful consideration to:

A). Should "grandfathering" strategy be used?
B). If so, should the "grandfathering" be permanent or only for existing leases?

Each situation is different and YMMV
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Donna & Michele,

I think the parameters of grandfathering need to be exactly spelled out whenever a BOD decides to employ it. Too many people (probably incl. some board members!) really don't understand its meaning.

FYI, here is the legal definition from Nolo.com"

"grandfather clause

A provision in a new law that limits its application to people who are new to the system; people already in the system are exempt from the new regulation. For example, when Washington, D.C. raised its drinking age from 18 to 21, people between those ages, who could drink under the old law, were allowed to retain the right to legally consume alcohol under a grandfather clause."

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Quote:
... The Declarant obtained a legal opinion that the documents can be amended to incorporate rental restrictions but also gave advice to “grandfather’ owners of lots purchased prior to the recording of an amendment to not have unexpected restrictions of the use of property. We do not want to prohibit rentals only have restrictions.

I think many have missed that they are not looking to ban rentals at all. Nor are they trying to restrict how many can be rented out. They are simply wanting to require a minimum lease for 6 months.

Now I suspect that the legal opinion was the idea of the Developer making a unilateral change to the rules. Even if he submits this to the whole, the vote is likely to go in his direction. In fact, for all we know he owns 2/3rd of the lots.

The thing is that many of those renting out the houses would probably not have a problem with a restriction making a minimum initial lease be 6 months. (Note that I would go for initial lease term only.)

I would look to try something that allows for 2/3rds of the non-developer lots to approve plus the developer rules the day.
JoanR (North Carolina)
Posts: 24
Posted:
You are correct, the developer has voting control at this point. Since this is the case, and there are no provisions in the governing documents for an owner-only vote, how does one request this circumstance?

I appreciate all the good comments from everyone who has responded to my question. Thank you.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
The first thing is to be sure to read through all the covenants several times. Chances are that it will discuss Class A and Class B votes. (Normally the declarant is Class B and the rest who purchase lots are Class B.) And then look at the section concerning amendments and what rights there are.

At any rate, nothing prevents him from seeking and honoring the opinion of the people who live there now. So he could decide unilaterally to seek a vote of the owners. If those owners approve the changes at the required percentage that would be needed if he was not in control, then he could pass the amendment.

You might also want to look in your state laws regarding amending your covenants. In Texas we do have a law concerning this. And because of said law, anyone who owns property in the covenant area can initiate an amendment. Of course he could block it, but he doesn't seem inclined to do so. If I were initiating it, I would start by getting as many signatures as possible. Since his concern is not trumping your rights, this should overcome his objections.

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