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TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
We live in a 151 single family home/condo environment neighborhood. Meaning: liability and maintenance is ours for our limited common elements. Limited common elements are clearly defined in our bylaws, drawing included. The limited common elements go from the entrance of detached garages to the property line in the yards, including your house, up too the common area sidewalks in front of every home.

I want to find a way to educate every homeowner on this. Short of getting a loud speaker and playing a message over and over and over and over.....Ok I'll stop......I would like to handle this more professionally.

Homeowners do not get that here, they should as they got the same paperwork at closing that I did. I am continuously yelled at for things that do not get done by the BOD when it comes to limited common grounds. The only responsibility the BOD have for limited common grounds is to provide lawn care services, including PREVENTABLE weed control, fertilizer and aeration.

I have been yelled at for not sealing someone's private drive. Not replacing the shingles on someones home that flew off. Not fixing a water leak coming from under someones home. Not picking up the garbage at the park and the list goes on...........

To stop the list, I would like to educate people on WHERE they live. I thought about a mailing, but we just did that with revised guidelines only to hear from most residents they did not read them.......they "filed" them. We do not have a huge turn out at annual meetings, so need to think outside the box.

Quite a smart group here and I encourage your input. Quickly though please, because I get yelled at one more time because a homeowner does not know what any responsible person who invests into a home should know, I am getting the blow horn and walking the community............JK
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Tamara,

There is no answer to ignorance so don't expect us to have the answer either. I have on many instances told my Husband after we leave a HOA meeting at one of the rental places, that "I should write a book" Some guy went ballistic and had the photos to prove it, when a 6 foot alligator decided to sunbathe on his front stoop. "The BOD did nothing to prevent" this was his claim. DUH!! This is south Florida folks. He even sought out an attorney who put him swiftly to sleep.

Then there is always who caused damage. Oil dripping from a car ruins a driveway but it is the Boards responsibility to remove it. And the list could go on forever. We power was them regularly but if an owner does damage, he is responsible as they are "limited common elements.

How about skylights? The Assocaiation is responsible for roof and all roof appurntages but owner is responsible for all windows? That one is still being battled and 2 attorneys have 2 different opinions.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
Tamara - I feel your pain ;)

I'm the President of an HOA of fee simple attached Villas. The governing docs do attempt to differentiate what the HOA is responsible for and what individual homeowners are responsible for, BUT they are lengthy, not always consistent in verbage, and flat-out ambiguous in some areas.

This is coupled with the fact that the builder's sales agents didn't really understand what the docs said, and they really "oversold" to all home buyers what the HOA would maintain.

As a consequence, after the developer turnover, the Board was faced with owners that had greater HOA maintenance expectations than what either the docs provided for or what the current HOA dues would support.

So that's the background with our situation.

Now, here's how we typcally handle HOA communications:

We usually use a "tiered" approach which is designed to be increasingly "invasive" as the importance increases.

1). First tier is both a website news article (about 80+% of owners have web access) plus an article in a printed newsletter that is distributed to those without web access.
2). Mass email distribution (+ printed letters for owners without email) is the next tier.
3). Printed materials either hand delivered or mailed is the highest tier.

In the case of resolving our HOA maintenance expectations we used both #1 and #2. We're pretty careful about using anything above #1, so as to "reserve" those steps for the truly important items.

The content of our News Article can be viewed here: http://tinyurl.com/3hbuc8

The mass email contained essentially the same information.

We had a few questions, but this seemed to put the issue to rest for the vast majority of our owners.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
We (our Board) bombards Membership with emailed Updates, Financial Reports, Requests for Opinions on Board Decisions, etc.

The General Result? Nobody cares, or if they do, can't be bothered. Too busy with other things.

As long as the HOA seems to be running smoothly, Thanks but No Thanks.

Nothing can change that, that I know of, except if we Board members pay them a personal visit (we each have 6 Households in our "precincts") and spoonfeed them, for instance, a ballot they need to complete and return. And even then, some will not return it.

So be it. We, the suckers who volunteered to serve, have resigned ourselves to that fact.

So we carry on as best we can. But thus far, no problems with our decisions have been voiced.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
TamaraW - If the shingles blew off, and there was a roof leak for a condominium unit the responsibility to fix would be that of the Condo Association, minus any deductibles, etc. Of course that is subject to what is described as a common element in your governing documents. Please explain in more detail the type of houses/units these are.
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Helpful! We were totally oversold. "Maintenance Free" living! Wrong, and if anyone read before signing they would of found this out. SO now we have a majority of homeowners placing expectations on the BOD and they do "yell".

I like the idea and format of the informational you sent out. However, we do not have a BOD endorsed/ran website, I am against (right now) walking around and hand delivering them due to the fact that the revised homeowner friendly guidelines were "filed" by most and not read.

However, I will need George to defend me in court, if another homeowner yells at me. I currently nicely guide them to the appropriate course of action, but want this to stop or in the least diminish in numbers.

We have a meeting a week from today and I will bring all creative ideas I get here to the table.

JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
JohnK3 -

What you describe is exactly why we choose to "Tier" our proactive communications. The more frequent and/or numerous the communications, we suspect it has a "numbing" effect on the recipients. So we try to use the website news articles (by the way - owners can choose to have the website notify them via email of each new article posting - or not, so HOA news junkies can get all the info they want) for less critical or routine, repetitive info distribution and reserve email/printed distribution for the more important, more timely needs.

It seems to work, since what often gets ignored on website news articles, gets greater numbers of responses from the email route.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
One other thing regarding email usage that has also been helpful .. .. ..

We sometimes just use mass email distribution of a generic message, but if we really want to get some attention, or if different homeowners are affected differently by what we have to say, we then use email technology that is similar to using mail-merge within a word processing program.

This allows us to insert recipient-specific information into each email, so that recipient clearly understands that what is being communicated is his/hers and his/hers alone.

For example .. ..

Dear <>,

The Board of Directors wants you to know BLAH, BLAH, BLAH about your home at <>

etc, etc, etc.

This can be a very useful way to have homeowners be more responsive to the email they're getting from the HOA
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By GeraldT4 on 09/18/2008 11:00 AM
TamaraW - If the shingles blew off, and there was a roof leak for a condominium unit the responsibility to fix would be that of the Condo Association, minus any deductibles, etc. Of course that is subject to what is described as a common element in your governing documents. Please explain in more detail the type of houses/units these are.

They are single family homes in a condo environment. They are not connected to each other, just like a regular house.

Declarations State - Limited common elements: Except as hereinafter provided and as provided in section 4 of this Article IX, the association shall have no obligation to maintain, repair or replace, or bear the cost of maintaining, repairing or replacing limited common elements or components thereof, provided that the association shall, as a common expense, mow and fertilize grassy areas that are part of the limited common elements that are not enclosed or partially enclosed by fences, walls, shrubs and like barriers or that are determined by the Board, in it's sole discretion, not to be performed at association expense. (wow that was one sentence) Each homeowner shall repair and maintain all improvements a part of the homeowners appurtenant limited common elements and pay the cost thereof. Generally, each homeowner shall be responsible for, including but not limited to, watering of lawns and landscaping, mulching, tree and shrub trimming, and their maintenance and replacement, flower bed maintenance, and the maintenance and repair of patios, porches and driveway and parking areas.

HOMES: because of the unique character of the Community, in that it contains free standing individual single family residential buildings and garages, and thus only a single home per residential building and garage, the risk of loss as a result of damage or because of wear and tear to a home shall be the homeowners, and, accordingly, the cost of maintaining, repairing and replacing of all portions of a home shall be borne by the owner or owners of the home, except to the extent that repairs and maintenance of utility lines .............blah blah - not relevant to the conversation - but this does fall on the homeowner to take care of through the utility company.

IF THE REPAIRS (I AM DONE TYPING LONG LEGAL SENTENCES, YOU WILL JUST HAVE TO TAKE MY WORD FOR IT) ARE NOT MADE IN REASONABLE TIME THE BOD HAS THE RIGHT OF ENTRY TO THE LIMITED COMMON SPACE TO MAKE THE REPAIRS AND CHARGE THE HOMEOWNER.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
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Posted By JohnO6 on 09/18/2008 11:13 AM
JohnK3 -

What you describe is exactly why we choose to "Tier" our proactive communications. The more frequent and/or numerous the communications, we suspect it has a "numbing" effect on the recipients. So we try to use the website news articles (by the way - owners can choose to have the website notify them via email of each new article posting - or not, so HOA news junkies can get all the info they want) for less critical or routine, repetitive info distribution and reserve email/printed distribution for the more important, more timely needs.

It seems to work, since what often gets ignored on website news articles, gets greater numbers of responses from the email route.

JohnO6,

By bombard, I should have noted bombarded with details, not frequency. Our Updates are delivered about once every six-ten weeks and include all developments since the prior Update. Our last was 30 July. Our next will be around 01 Oct, timed to remind the gang to submit 4th Q dues.

I compose the Updates and try to be both informative and entertaining. A few HOs have approached our Prez and asked things like "Do we have to know all of this stuff?" or "Ain't these Updates awful long?"

Numbness is rampant; though I suspect from other external forces!
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
JohnK3 -

Your more detailed description of your communications provides much clearer perspective for me AND it certainly seems reasonable to me.

As a contrast, we typically have 2-5 new News Articles on our community website each week (some are HOA related and others are general interest in our locality, etc.)

So my answer to the owners who ask the Prez about whether "all this is needed or not", is if you're not interested, don't read it. But if you are, wouldn't you rather have access to it than not?

You can lead a horse to water, but .. .. ..
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
but............how can you make them drink? That is my question. Most of our communications are "filed" and not read which does not take care of the problem I pose.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Tamara,

You certainly must remember the horse to the trough story. Quit beating yourself up over the apathy of these people. You will never beat this by yourself.

Our famous court case--The Judge asked one of the defendants IF he had read the covenants which clearly stated about the pickup trucks. The guy answered "YES BUT I CROSSED IT OUT WHEN I SIGNED THE RECEIPT"

Anyone got a comeback for that one?
JeannieraeO (California)
Posts: 27
Posted:
I agree. The list goes on and on. Here we have the situation of Restricted Common Area. That means the Unit owner has the exclusive use of an area (mostly our parking spaces, patios and balconies), but they do not own it and the HOA has the right to limit what is and isn't allowed on it. Boy, how that sets up a howl. I'm the president of my board and my answer is always, read the CC&Rs, if you don't want to follow the rules, don't live in an HOA. Then I turn a deaf ear. Through our board efforts, our property values have not dropped dramatically much due to the fact that we keep the property safe and beautiful. You just can't please everyone.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
My kneejerk reaction to most CCRs and bylaws is:
The sentences are too long and complex.
There's no humor in the document.

So . . . send out ANOTHER flyer (I know you don't want to hear that) and use
SHORT sentences and lots of pictures, jokes and humor surrounding your "rules." People just don't read anymore - you know that!! How about setting some of the rules to rap or a country western parody? ANY way to get your information across. Set up a Kid's Council and have them "translate" the CCRs into more understandable language.

Another idea is to "diffuse" the rumor/problem attact by getting volunteers to "field" the front lines for complaints and silly problems. Kind of like Problem Solvers. Hopefully they can stop the 80% of the problems and the Board can then deal with the other more serious, valid 20%.

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Tamara,

I happen to have several suggestions:
  • Create a newsletter and include a small article covering one point. (A color newsletter will be more likely to be read even if it costs more.)

  • Get a web site and include information people might otherwise want. (The cost is too cheap to not take advantage of. For less then $100 a year you can have a nice site. Include a forum if you want real activity. Just understand some people won't be super nice.)

  • Move all phone calls to a voice mail system.

  • Put out informational flyers in color. Include a small chunk of information.

  • Try to work through any committee you might have.

  • Look for ways to work limits of HOA stuff into friendly conversations.

  • Include a service request form on the web site you create from above.

  • In your newsletters and flyers place a small section offering a prize to the first few responders. This sometimes works wonders. If it does, then make the prize harder to find as you go along.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Tamara, I put together a document outlining just who was responsible for what and had it vetted by the attorney for accuracy and sent it out in a newsletter. No there is no surefire way to make people read or comprehend their documents; everyday on all the TV channels here there is a crawler counting down to the termination of analog TV and the conversion to digital and what they need to do to keep receiving a picture. Yet I'll be willing to wager that there will still be people confused as to why their TV's have ceased to receive a picture after midnight on February 17, 2009.
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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Glen - BEAUTIFUL!! - (Just needed a little joke to go on it)

TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Thanks everyone for their wonderful input! I will draw from your ideas, present them to the Board and see what system we can put in play. Then hopefully within time we will be able to get homeowners to better understand where they live which can only improve our overall neighborhood!

YOU ALL ROCK!

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