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SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
After years and much fact finding, the HO's finally got there wish...the President resigned a couple of weeks ago and two days after that the worthless PM/MC is resigning as of Nov 5th...

The problem now is that the Prsidency fell to the VP who lives in Mass. I am the Treasurer of the Association. I wrote this by default President and told him that we (HO's) needed/wanted a meeting ASAP to figure out what steps need to be taken. I stated it was need the end of the year and Budget/dues/taxes would need attention very soon. I also stated that I didn't feel a out of town President, he is also the ARC is a good thing for the community. I received a very sarcastic e-mail from him telling me, he was the President and he would make the decisions and he didn't feel a meeting was necessary at this time....He said the PM had told him, our heads were above water (his words) and we were doing fine...My reply to him was how are we doing fine when we have not paid into the Reserves since Apr.07 (own the Reserves over $15,000.) and we have over $20,000. in delinquent accounts and don't have enough funds to last til the end of the year (because the dues that came in early for 08 were used to pay end of the years bills.

This MC has been reported to the DBPR for not having a CAM license and may be removed even sooner. I personally had a meeting w/Mr. Drago, secertary of the DBPR yesterday.

I have had several HO's contact me wanting to know what the remaining Board was going to do. I relayed the Presidents words on the issue. They ask if we (on site Board members or the HO's could call for a "Special" meeting....As most of you know from my previous post we are financially unstable. They are worried....Is there any quick way to get rid of this out of town President and I need advice on how we can call a meeting w/o the Presidents support. We truly need this meeting ASAP. All HO's need to know what is going on.

Thank, any and all advice is welcome....
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
Posted:
First piece of advice .. .. read and understand your governing documents - it's likely that the by-laws address the who, why, when & how can call meetings including special meetings of the HOA.

Please don't misinterpret this post as derogatory, because it's not. My experience is that many, many questions posed here can actually be answered within the poster's HOA documents.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Sidney,

I get the impression that you think the pres is in charge. There are other members on the board; the Pres is only one! Unless the members of your assn elect the officers of the board, the Pres. can be removed the same way he was appointed to his officer position -- by the members of the board. I say remove this guy as Pres and appoint someone who is willing to conduct business in the best interests of the members and the assn and w/o blinders on! If the remaining members of the board constitute a quorum you don't need the presence of the Pres. to call a meeting. Just because he lives in another state doesn't mean the board can't hold meetings and conduct business in his absence. Also, your gov. docs should outline the process for calling for a special assessment. Usually a majority of the board can call for a special assessment which then must be voted on by a certain % of the members.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Sidney,

Your Articles of Inc. and your Bylaws should state the rights of calling a special meeting. But I have copied the 617 Articles for you which govern your HOA. Yes, you can call the meeting

617.0701 Meetings of members, generally; failure to hold annual meeting; special meeting; consent to corporate actions without meetings; waiver of notice of meetings.--

(3) Special meetings of the members may be called by the president, the chair of the board of directors, the board of directors, or such other officers or persons as are provided for in the articles of incorporation or the bylaws.

DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Do you even need a special meeting of the members? As John stated the answer is really in your documents, but I'm almost willing to bet that your documents don't automatically elevate the VP to the President position on resignation of the President. They probably state that the VP shall act in stead of the President in case the President is unable or unwilling to act, but he is still the VP. There is probably also another section in the Bylaws that covers how vacancies are filled, which if it's like most governing documents that I've seen, allow the Board to appoint a new officer.

So assuming that your docs are similar to mine, you might want to get the other Board members to call a special Board meeting (or just wait for the next regular Board meeting) and then appoint somebody locally to the President's office.
SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
Donna...we are under SS720
The big problem is that all of the Board members were appointed by the resigning President. I am the only "black sheep" on the Board (since Mar31st/08). I don't think the other Board members would go along w/ousting the President. They were all part of our problems, they were just yes votes for the President. What I was really trying to find out if I could do this alone or could the HO's call a meeting and could they oust the President and if so what percentage would it take? I have read the by-laws and the articles but with no Board support I am not sure exactly what I can do or the HO's can do. I know that w/Board support we can remove him but I know they won't.

I had a HO jump all over me last night saying it only takes two Board members to call a meeting and he would talk to the one who lives next door to him. I have called this Board and MC on all of the many things they have done against the CC&R's and the SS that I want to make darn sure that this mess is handled right...He was yelling at me telling me I could do this an appoint him as the President.

"John"...I have read my docs a hundred times and I know what the docs say but it doesn't say anything about a case like mine....I am the only one standing up for the HO's....I have ask this President and the PM to Please call a meeting.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Sidney,
Yes, I remember that you are under SS720 BUT your Articles of Inc, probably used the 617 Statutes which are the Not For Profit Corp. laws under which you are filed. This trumps your BYLAWS Unless your Articles State differently, this is how to call a special meeting. There is the possibility that your governing Docs say the wording from 617 but they also might state 720. That is what you are required to do. Because your association is not new, you still might be worded to follow 617. Confused yet? A Philadelphia Lawyer can't even figure this one out.

617 says----(3) Special meetings of the members may be called by the president, the chair of the board of directors, the board of directors, or such other officers or persons as are provided for in the articles of incorporation or the bylaws.

Now 720 says----3) SPECIAL MEETINGS.--Special meetings must be held when called by the board of directors or, unless a different percentage is stated in the governing documents, by at least 10 percent of the total voting interests of the association. Business conducted at a special meeting is limited to the purposes described in the notice of the meeting.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I am assuming that you have regularly scheduled BOARD meetings and since there was a change in the presidency, you wanted an additional one called.

Boarda are usually able to call additional meetings, so call one!

AS A GENERAL MEMBER of the HOA, you can also get the ball rolling about calling a meeting, but I think you want a BOARD meeting before facing the general assembly.

I don't know why you think this situation is "unique" - boards call extra or special meetings all the time - with or without the absence of any member, including the president. Just make sure you "Notice" it correctly, according to your bylaws.

P.S. Make sure you can get a quorum at this called meeting. What do the other Board members think? Since you have not had a Reserve Fund activity in over a year, that is not an "emergency."

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Sidney,

You stated that you know the board can remove the Pres from his office but you don't think they will. So, why not encourage a group of members to call for a special meeting of the members for the purpose of a recall? The requirements to hold a special meeting should be outlined in your bylaws. This would be even better than the board removing him as Pres, because this would mean he is off the board completely.

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