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AnnaA (California)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Is it legal to ask to see violation letters that where sent out if the homeowners personal information is blocked out. IF not, how do we check to see if the Board is doing it's job by enforcing the CC&R's? I have it in strick confidence that our Board does not send out letters to homeowners who are violating the CC&R's because they want to keep a "sense of community". This defeats the purpose of all of us on the Architural Committee since homeowners are doing things without prior approval.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
You might want to check the rules of you HOA regarding whether the membership can view documents and what types of files/documents they can view.

You might also want to check with California laws about that as well.

But in our HOA, there are very few documents that we restrict the membership from viewing.

We would not send them copies of enforcement letters or Arch Comm approvals, but they are more than welcome to make an appointment and come in and review them.

The files are not "secret" from the membership, since this is their organization.

I believe the only documents we would not have open for review would be bid specifications that are currently under review.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Well, you sure DO have the right to know if the Board is following up on violations, in fact,they should have a PROCEDURE which can be referenced at any time. So they should be able to tell you:

2) violations for broken widget - 2nd notice
1) violation for garbage ya-ya - 1st notice.
4) beach notice violations - 3rd notice. Fine notice set.
2) non payment of dues - 1 lein filed; 1 2nd notice

or some kind of tally. Of course, this would be based on their written policy that outlines the steps for violation and fines.
MitchC2
Posts: 10
Posted:
Most states have "sunshine laws" that require you to have visibility into the decisions of the Board. Most importantly, you should see what the state statute says.

You may well not have the ability to have insight into the process - a violation is a part of the process ... the result is whether the problem is corrected.

I would recommend that rather than getting deep into the procedures of the Board or its committees, you should focus on whether the outcome of the committee is what you should expect as a member who expects the rules to be followed by members and enforced by the Board.

If you find that the Board is not enforcing the rules, you can either 1) work to change the membership on the Board and or 2) take legal action.

The point: hold the board to the governing documents. If you want to become involved in the process as well, either join the control committee and/or run for a seat on the Board.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Since most disciplinary discussions and decisions are done in Executive Session, the general membership will NOT hear actual names or addresses. I think that's the way it SHOULD be.

However, the board DOES need to acknowledge the violations and reveal its plan of action for dealing with them. The OP (original post) just wants assurance that violations ARE being dealt with.

MitchC2
Posts: 10
Posted:
I agree. Closed sessions allow the Board to deal with the personal issue in private. The homeowner should hold the Board to the covenants. The question of if the violations are being dealt with should be apparent to the homeowner by s/he observing if the problem has been corrected. If it isn't corrected, the homeowner can only pressure the board to resolve the issue or, if they don't, take legal action against the Board for not enforcing a documented covenant/rule.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Mitch and OP,
Suggest you look at recent reply from DonnaS on purpose of Sunshine Laws. Donna knows her stuff. Look the subject up in first or second discussion page.

If the Board is trying to hide information that can be reviewed by the membership (including looking a financials and seeing if any fines were accessed and how the money was used), you can be very sure they are not playing fair or responsibly. I would read my documents, write up questions that would be required to be answered by the Board, go to thne Board meeting, send a registered letter or create a paper trail that demonstrates your desires. Then react from their response, but keep it all in writing or in the public domain, no deals.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Anna simply wants to know if her board is enforcing the CCRs with letters. She should ask - at the next board meeting - what exaclty the procedure is for violations, and even ask to see a sample violation letter.

"Disclosure" does not mean that details of violations and overdue assessments need to be broadcast to god and everyone else.

Members just need to know IF and WHAT is being done about violations.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
My interpretation is that in Anna's state the information about enforcement actions are not subject to H/O review. However I would ask the question at a BOD/Member meeting and make the BOD answer the question of whether or not they enforce and remind them of their duty to, usually spelled out in the CC&R's.

RECORDS NOT SUBJECT TO INSPECTION

The following records are not subject to inspection (see Civil Code ยง1363.05(b) and Civil Code ยง1365.2(d):

board executive session agendas, minutes and information
personnel records (other than payroll records)

litigation files or records protected by the attorney-client privilege

pending contracts

Legal invoices

records likely to lead to identity theft

records likely to lead to fraud

records reasonably likely to compromise the privacy of an individual member (such as owner records, including goods or services provided to members for which the association received monetary consideration other than assessments)

disciplinary actions, collection activities, or payment plans of other owners

personal information, including social security number, tax id number, driver's license number, credit card account numbers, bank account number, and bank
routing number

interior architectural plans for individual homes

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KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Anna,

You have a very valid concern and the Board should be able to address it. In our case, I would probably simply show you my latest report that shows how many postcards, letters, 2nd notices, etc were sent out to the owners.

Quite honestly, I think that any Board should be able to produce as much. If not, then they need to look at their organization of records.

It should also be able to provide a sample of a violation notice.

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