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DavisM (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
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Something has come up with our hoa that leaves me alittle unsettled. Our streets in the hoa are owned by the city.they maintain the utilities,street,ect.The city shows that their right of way extends 15' from the curb line whichs all the trees are located plus sidewalks. Due to the recent storm (hana) the hoa plans to replace all the trees that were downed,plus replace all the holly trees which they seem to dislike.Is this not the same as the hoa taxing us on the citys behave? What liabilities would the hoa occur? Is this even legal?
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
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Posted By DavisM on 09/16/2008 12:12 PM
Something has come up with our hoa that leaves me alittle unsettled. Our streets in the hoa are owned by the city.they maintain the utilities,street,ect.The city shows that their right of way extends 15' from the curb line whichs all the trees are located plus sidewalks. Due to the recent storm (hana) the hoa plans to replace all the trees that were downed,plus replace all the holly trees which they seem to dislike.Is this not the same as the hoa taxing us on the citys behave? What liabilities would the hoa occur? Is this even legal?

I would think at best they would need a permit to plant on city property.
JohnO6 (Georgia)
Posts: 424
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No lawyer here .. .. but doesn't right of way really mean a use easement that the city has? The city may not actually own that property, but by owning/maintaining the streets, they have this right of way?

I guess you really need to know the property line of the HOA's common property to fully assess this situation.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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Posted By DavisM on 09/16/2008 12:12 PM
Something has come up with our hoa that leaves me alittle unsettled. Our streets in the hoa are owned by the city.they maintain the utilities,street,ect.The city shows that their right of way extends 15' from the curb line whichs all the trees are located plus sidewalks. Due to the recent storm (hana) the hoa plans to replace all the trees that were downed,plus replace all the holly trees which they seem to dislike.Is this not the same as the hoa taxing us on the citys behave? What liabilities would the hoa occur? Is this even legal?

Davis,

I believe it all depends upon who is resp. for maintainence of these easement areas. Our HOA maintains the City right of way areas and we have the right to replace any of the trees and shrubbery located in those areas. In fact we will be doing just that in the next year on two of the major streets. Our City right of way is from the middle of the street to the wall (HOA property is behind the wall), which includes the sidewalk area. Note that all s/d's in this part of AZ are walled in.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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John,

I think that you are right. The City probably does not cut the lawns either because it is owner property with an easement of 15 feet used by the City. Very very common to see this anyplace where the city owns the streets. Does the City plant flowers in that area around the trees. My guess is that it is also a NO! Just like easements that an association has on owner property between the houses. Owner owned but association has an easement.
DavisM (North Carolina)
Posts: 2
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The bod use to refer this to a common area,since then has refered it to street right of way upon advice of legal counsel.City ord.states that we can't place any signs on street right of way's which they do inforce.I will be going to the bod meeting tonight to discuss my concerns.If the city maintains the trees,is this not a tax the hoa has imposed on us on the city's behalf.If I try to write some of this off on my taxes i'm sure the irs will have someting to say.I'm sure the city would love to have us take over.I mean what is next, if the bod wants to replace the trees at city hall will we have to foot the bill.My real concern is the liability factor the hoa might be getting into.Thank you all for your replies.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Posted By DavisM on 09/16/2008 12:12 PM
Something has come up with our hoa that leaves me alittle unsettled. Our streets in the hoa are owned by the city.they maintain the utilities,street,ect.The city shows that their right of way extends 15' from the curb line whichs all the trees are located plus sidewalks. Due to the recent storm (hana) the hoa plans to replace all the trees that were downed,plus replace all the holly trees which they seem to dislike.Is this not the same as the hoa taxing us on the citys behave? What liabilities would the hoa occur? Is this even legal?
There is no evidence of an easement here, folks. The word is not even used. Please don't assume facts not in evidence. This is most likely a municipally owned right of way, not an easement.

In my neck of the woods, although the city owns the street and sidewalk, the owner of the abutting property is responsible for landscape maintenance, including sidewalk snow removal.

The homeowners association has no say whatsoever as to what is planted, since it is on municipal property and regulated by law.

The law requires a permit to plant street trees in the city right of way. The city arborist approves the permits.

There is a list of prohibited trees and a list of recommended street trees (if you like I will post it).

With all that said, I think it is a good idea for the association to take the lead in replanting the trees, depending upon local regulations. There is few things that enhance a neighborhood than a tree lined street. I would support such an effort, even if it were not specifically required in the covenants.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
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George,

The city may require a permit where you live but I don't believe one is required where I live. My assn will be renovating two right-of-way areas next year and there's been no mention of the requirement to obtain a permit. In fact we will be submitting a city grant request to defray the expense -- I'm chairman of the grant comm. Maint. of these City right-of-way areas is the resp. of the HOA. This is why I stated that I believe it all depends upon who is resp. for maint. of the area.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Posted By DavisM on 09/16/2008 12:37 PM
The bod use to refer this to a common area,since then has refered it to street right of way upon advice of legal counsel.City ord.states that we can't place any signs on street right of way's which they do inforce.I will be going to the bod meeting tonight to discuss my concerns.If the city maintains the trees,is this not a tax the hoa has imposed on us on the city's behalf.If I try to write some of this off on my taxes i'm sure the irs will have someting to say.I'm sure the city would love to have us take over.I mean what is next, if the bod wants to replace the trees at city hall will we have to foot the bill.My real concern is the liability factor the hoa might be getting into.Thank you all for your replies.
Davis,

What liability would obtain from the association taking the lead to replace trees? I don't see any, certainly no liability that would not be covered by insurance.

It there is a municipal tree planting program, do take advantage of it. Be prepared to wait for years and years.

We face a similar situation in snow removal every year. The city is technically responsible, and clears streets in the old sections of the city. That is what our taxes are for. But if we did not pay for it ourselves, it would be August before the city got around to snowplowing our residential streets.

On the surface, without any more information than that posted here, I think it is a great idea.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Precisely Mary. It depends. In some areas the association may be responsible. And in some areas a permit may not be required. That is why blanket statements are not useful.

I still think it is a great idea for the association to take the lead here, even if it costs some money. Street trees are a great investment in property values.

The city even has a "neighborwoods" program with a goal of planting 100,000 trees between 2007-17. Street trees are provided free of charge, and the parks department will even dig the holes, if the neighborhood will organize a volunteer tree planting effort and agree to maintain them.

BonnieE (Illinois)
Posts: 338
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This area is a right of way here in our Village. The HO maintains this area. Our Village will replace trees - and do so within the year (Fall planting - although could be the following Fall).
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
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As I see it you should check with the city before doing anything in the right of way or on their property. As someone pointed out there is a large difference between right of way and owned property. All the same, my city requires me to maintain their grass between the sidewalk and the street along my lot.

As for the HOA taxing you on the city's behalf, I supposed that is one way to look at it. The other way (and one I prefer) is that the city can and will do only so much. Further, if the city replaces the trees you will pay for it and have no input as to selection and placement. If you (or your hoa) takes the action then they have more control. Also, they can go above and beyond what the city will do.

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