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NicoleO4 (California)
Posts: 160
Posted:
Just a lure to see if my stalker can resist a response.

We have an issue with a huge unplanned maintenance that may cost us in the excess of 10K. We will be able to us reserve funds to pay for this very unexepected damage on our property, but since this not budgeted item and unforseen.. Our HOA feels that our HO's may need to given a special assessement to regain the unforseen loss. I have read our docs and it seems to be correct. Is this the norm for most HOA'S??

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
For our COA in Ohio the answer would be no. Ohio law mandates that an Association must fund the reserves with at least 10% of the annual operating budget or a majority of H/O must vote each year to allow for the possibility of special assessments. In our case the money could be borrowed from reserves but then general assessments for the next year would probably have to be raised to repay the funds plus interest.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Just a lure to see if my stalker can resist a response.

We have an issue with a huge unplanned maintenance that may cost us in the excess of 10K. We will be able to us reserve funds to pay for this very unexepected damage on our property, but since this not budgeted item and unforseen.. Our HOA feels that our HO's may need to given a special assessement to regain the unforseen loss. I have read our docs and it seems to be correct. Is this the norm for most HOA'S??

Nicole,
The question, as asked, has only one answer. Of course the Board can assess this money, if justified. From there the subject breaks down from simple to complicated. I can't imagine that any HOA or condo, condo especially, would have any restriction. Maybe steps for justification or maybe a requirement of a Special Meeting, but if the situation is such that the integrity of the association is at stake, the Board is mandated to act in some fashion to protect, and if they decide a special assessment will do that, they must act.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Nicole, We had an issue of a similar nature--using reserve funds for a maintenance issue not identified in the reserve study. (Remember the meandering stream. . .)

In Hoosierland there are no laws (and nothing in our documentation) regulating reserve funds. Instead of looking at the reserve fund as a set of individual funds dedicated to specific projects, the board wisely looked at it as an unindifferentiated whole.

Since the reserve fund was done well and conservatively, a number of anticipated maintenance projects have not needed to be undertaken at the time they were estimated to take place. We will simply continue to build the reserve fund, restoring the money used for the unanticipated expense, through our annual fees as we have for the past 12 years.

And as homeowners, we live happily ever after . . .

By the way, if 10 percent of fees are mandated by law to be set aside for reserves, it seems to me that in a well built, well maintained association, the reserve fund could become excessively large.

Is there some sort of cap? Or is this a case of another poorly written law?
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Anyone with a comment about the fact we accept the premise that all our documents are legal and enforceable and we attest to their validity when we agree to live in an association. We don't make any qualifications. Has anyone ever hear of a buyer refusing to agree to the contract purchasing the property and moving in? I think this goes back to the right to restrict the number of rental properties in the association. You are not saying you can't rent, you are saying, the health of the association, as defined by the owners and the documents have authority as to when you can rent your property.

Has that for an early morning buzz.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Robert - Good Morning! but are you in the right thread . . .?

Nicole - "unplanned maintenance" - can you be more specific. Why wasn't this already in the reserve fund plan?
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
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Posted By RobertR1 on 09/13/2008 5:00 AM
Anyone with a comment about the fact we accept the premise that all our documents are legal and enforceable and we attest to their validity when we agree to live in an association. We don't make any qualifications. Has anyone ever hear of a buyer refusing to agree to the contract purchasing the property and moving in? I think this goes back to the right to restrict the number of rental properties in the association. You are not saying you can't rent, you are saying, the health of the association, as defined by the owners and the documents have authority as to when you can rent your property.

Has that for an early morning buzz.
I would be pleased to comment on this, but it is best not to take this thread off course.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Not knowing what the expense is, are you sure it doesn't rightfully belong in the reserve? It seems some people define their reserve fund in very narrow terms. In my opinion it should cover all major expenses related to real property. By major expense I would say anything more then 10% of the budget though there is some wiggle room there.

Now beyond that, it seems that you should also have 10 to 25% of your budget sitting in an account similar to the reserve fund. Many have called this an operating reserve.

Unexpected expenses are a part of life. I am just amazed at how many HOAs pretend they are immune from this.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Right on again, Kirk! How's that house down the street from you? Still for sale? I would like to have a neighbor with your kind of common sense.
NicoleO4 (California)
Posts: 160
Posted:
That had happened is out last earthquake that hit this month cause a huge crack in the first floor decking, the pool and outside cement fascia on the building. However, the facscia that cracked away on the building is not covered by our earthquake insurance as this was a pre exhisting item. Our insurance will only cover the rest. The facsia is missing a 100+ pound chunk of cement that was already cracking and well known to the current board. It was pre-exhisting, our HOA knows it and STATE FARM will not pay for it. That is the unplanned maintenance.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Oh crap,
You are all right and I have pasted it in correct thread. I hate it when I am wrong.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
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Posted By GeorgerwilliamsW on 09/13/2008 12:07 AM

By the way, if 10 percent of fees are mandated by law to be set aside for reserves, it seems to me that in a well built, well maintained association, the reserve fund could become excessively large.

Is there some sort of cap? Or is this a case of another poorly written law?

George if this was to happen then the H/O would simply have to vote to cease funding the reserves and allow for the possibility of a special assessment. The law was put in place to protect H/O who were often first time buyers who moved into Associations especially with little to no down payments. Developers and some BOD's have been known to keep assessments artificially low in order to make the property seem more desirable and then hit the H/O with massive SA's to pay for stuff that should have been budgeted for.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
Nichole,

It would seem to me that this "unplanned" expense should well have been planned. And every item you mentioned should be a line item in the reserve fund. I would go so far as to state that the only sensible thing to do is to include insurance deductibles in the reserve fund.

As to having the 10% of your budget to go to reserves unless the HOs vote otherwise it seems reasonable to me. If you then get a reserve study showing that you don't need 10%, then simply make it an agenda item at the annual meeting. I would certainly do that in our neighborhood where the fund sits well over 1000% funded. (We had about 35% of our annual budget put in reserves for the first years of our existence.)

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