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JudyZ (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Florida - As a community with Covenants which have been in effect since 1988, this HOA Board has made its prime concern to enforce the covenants. For the most part, our 450 homeowners do comply with the covenants. But then you have the homeowners who honestly believe the covenants were written for everyone but them, or they believe the covenants are a "joke." This Florida board needs something to sink our teeth into giving us the power to fine them, or do something other than smack their hands. In short, we need to know how to "threaten" them and collect. We do aree that some of our covenants need re-writing, but until 2017 we have to comply.
CharlesH9 (Michigan)
Posts: 123
Posted:
Finally someone else with CCR's that can't be changed for a number of years. I thought I was the only one!! I can't answer you question short of getting an injunction or something from the court. That's expensive and a hassle but it may only take one example.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Judy,
Are your sure? Reread your covenants, which probably states that the covenants are to be renewed in 2017. Under your Articles of Inc, there should be a procedure for amending the CC&Rs. It would be very rare to not allow changes. Unless explicitly stated that you may not amend, you can do it. Florida Statutes has the procedure on how to fine with its limits but that ability to fine within your association must be contained within your docs.
JudyZ (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Donna: Thanks for the answer. I pulled my covenants to re-read, and re-read, etc. This covenant states:

All of the above covenants, terms and conditions shall apply and remain in force as covenants running with the land until January 1, 2017, and the purchaser of any lots in said subdivision shall take title subject to and abide by said covenants, restrictions, terms and conditions. In the event of violation of any restriction, or condition or breach of any covenants or agreement herein contained, the Developer or the Association may enter upon the land upon which such violation or breach exists and summarily abate and remove, at the expense of the owner thereof anything, condition or structure that maybe or exist contrary to the intent or meaning of the provisions hereof, and the Developer and the Associaion shall not hereby be guillty of any manner of trespass for such entry, abatement or removal.

These covenants automatically renew for 10 years, unless by vote of a majority of the then owners of the lots, it is agreed to change said covenants in whole or in part.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Judy,

There it is ready for you to make amendments to your governing docs.

"These covenants automatically renew for 10 years, unless by vote of a majority of the then owners of the lots, it is agreed to change said covenants in whole or in part."

Do you know where to go to State Statutes 720 for the how tos? Your statement above says "it is agreed to change said covenants in whole or in part." You can by a vote of the majority of the lot owners. I'll post the Statute if you need it.

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I would mention that at least in my covenants the mechanism of change is in another section near the end) of the document. Look for the word amendments.
JudyZ (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Donna: I am sitting here with 720.....give me a number and I will look up the how-tos.
I have been looking through a great book I have "The Law of Florida Homeowners Associations" and "Be Reasonable!" I will gladly accept your knowledge and help. Thanks.
JudyZ (Florida)
Posts: 23
Posted:
Donna: I was of the impression that 720.3075 voided our covenant which says:

"The Developer may, in its sole discretion, make modifications, deletions, additions or
amendments to these restrictions applicable to the aforesaid lands, provided that any such additional restrictive covenants or modifications, deletions, or amendment thereto shall not affect the lien of any mortgage then encumbering any of the aforesaid lands."
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Judy,
Absolutely NOT it does not void your covenant, the paragraph you read is concerning the Developers rights before he does turnover to the association. Since you have been in existance sine 1988, I am assuming that you have had your official turnover, therefore the Developer is long gone and your documents are your governing rules and laws.

Below is just a short paragrap which allows your association to amend any documents. Beware of the words---"UNLESS OTHERWISE PROVIDED IN THE GOVERNING DOCUMENTS" The State is telling you that IF your documents do not have required numbers or percentages, the States tells you to use their numbers.

720.306 Meetings of members; voting and election procedures; amendments.--

(1) QUORUM; AMENDMENTS.--

(b) Unless otherwise provided in the governing documents or required by law, and other than those matters set forth in paragraph (c), any governing document of an association may be amended by the affirmative vote of two-thirds of the voting interests of the association.

There is more to this section but the above is what you need to know.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Judy,
After I slept on this, I wanted to ask, by what percentage or number do you need to pass any changes to your documents? It might be 2/3rds, majority or lot owners, 3/4ths? That is what you will need to use. IF you do not have any specific numbers, then the Statutes suggests the 2/3rds of the voting interests.

Now your original question was about fining. Do your docs have any words on your ability to fine for non compliance? Here again, the State has set fee limits to $100.00 per day with a maximum of $1000.00 per infraction. This is a whole other chapter with how owners must be notified and the steps that lead to fining.

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