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JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
We have a retention basin that collects excess rain runoff water independent of our ponds. The opening at the far side where the runoff eventually feeds into a creek is about a 6 inch circle at ground level that often gets clogged with leaves and requires our landscaper (for an extra fee) to unclog a few times a year when it backs up maybe 4-5 foot-deep water for days. There is also a 2nd drain at around 8 feet off the ground to handle massive runoff. The thing is, we recently took a close look at it and discovered the 6 inch circle is, in fact, part of a bolted-on, removable cover that hides a much bigger (2 foot?) outlet hole in the permanent cement structure. We assume the developer had the temp cover for some reason, though as the 2 foot outlet hole is permanent, we assume we can remove it to speed draining and avoid service calls.

Your thoughts?

Thanks in advance.
VictorW (Kansas)
Posts: 14
Posted:
John,

Some areas now require retention ponds if your development meets certain area constraints. The formulas for the area of retention and the flow going into it and coming from it are designed to accommodate surface area run off as well as the capacity of the stream it dumps into. In Kansas, there are laws that protect those downstream from the extra run off from developed areas. Also,factor in a that child fits easier in a 24" pipe than a 6" pipe.

If you can't find any research on the stream capacity and runoff from your addition that has stipulations for your retention pond, then Google "pond management" or "atrium drainage gate" on the net and find tower gate. These tall grates allow water to drain in even as debris collects around them. See example at: http://rpitt.eng.ua.edu/Class/Erosioncontrol/Module6/Module6_files/image085.jpg.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
John, I know exactly what you are talking about. We have several detention ponds with a similar discharge setup into the two streams that bisect our community. And yes, the grates need to be cleaned several times a year. And when they were not cleaned one year, we had a detention pond overflow that nearly flooded a couple of homes.

My understanding is that these ponds are carefully engineered to control the rate of storm water discharge to control flooding. In our area they are part of a comprehensive storm water management plan that regulates the flow rates and handling capacities of the streams into which they drain.

The size of the cover grate determines the rate at which storm water is discharged. We also have the much larger grate higher up to serve as a back up in extreme situations.

If you are not having any problems, you may simply want to leave well enough alone. You could probably find out more about discharge flow rates and requirements through your county government. They may even have a inspector that could come out and take a look, and answer questions.

Alternately, you might be able to find the developer's site plans that may show what kind of discharge flow rates and grate sizes that are mandated.

Detention ponds do require ongoing maintenance. You can't ignore them. Keep those grates clean, particularly after the leaves fall in November and December.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
John,

I'm thinking this might be called a dry well. Dry wells may be regulated by your State Dept. of Environmental Quality -- I know they are in AZ. You might want to check this out. At any rate, IMO, it should be inspected and perhaps cleaned each year.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Thanks all, as always, for your comments.

I called the Township (our local governing body), found the right man for the job, and asked the question. He said he'd get back to me. Which he did in less than hour!

Our site plan demonstrates the panel is meant to be permanent, the small opening planned for...here he calmly rattled off a bunch of technical stuff...to constrict the drainage into the creek.

And as a friendly aside, he noted removing it could result in.......as soon as I heard 10 days in prison, I was sold!

KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
As a note, it is probably much cheaper to clean the drain while it is dry rather then wait for the pond to stop draining. I know I would charge less.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Kirk,

Agree. And we do dry raking when things build up. The trouble is when we get a heavy rain. Stuff washes down from hundreds of yards away, starting from a huge corn field. So aside from leaves, we also get stalks, twigs, whatever, which arrive within the hour.

I guess we'll need a bigger, submersible rake and hip=waders, or just call the landscaper.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
John,

I would look to add something to reduce the stoppage. The easiest thing is to add a cage with a much larger surface area of filtration. I would be inclined to make this cage rather tall since most of the debris will not be in the middle of the water column.

You will certainly need to involve the township as you don't want to go to jail. But they are likely to help as they presumably want the whole thing to work with the least amount of interference. If the thing gets clogged then other bad things happen.

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