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LauraD4 (Maryland)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Our BOD has been taking a reduction in their dues for quiet some time now and it states in our by-laws: Compensation...Directors as such shall not receive any stated salaries for their services. It also says...Any member of this Association shall be in default when said member fails to pay dues or maintenance charges. Voting Rights.... Any member who is in default shall be suspended from having any voting rights whatsoever, as otherwise provided for members in good standing of this Association. Can anyone tell me if this is legal and if they are still covered under BOD insurance policy if they are sued? Let me know if you need more info. Thank you.
JeannieraeO (California)
Posts: 27
Posted:
Taking compensation as a board of any non-profit organization is illegal. There just isn't any other way to put it. Your board my feel justified because of the hard work that they do on behalf of the Association, but there is no wiggle room here. Law is law.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Jeannie, that may be true under California law, but it is not true in Indiana and, I suspect, numerous other states. Blanket statements are always dangerous.

I can tell you of numerous not-for-profit organizations that compensate their directors. It is growing more and more common, because finding people with the right skills and experience to serve as board members is becoming more difficult.

All the IRS is concerned about is excessive compensation of board and staff members. There is nothing in the tax code that prohibits compensating members of the board of directors.
JosephW (Michigan)
Posts: 882
Posted:
Some documents allow or are silent on the matter of compensation for board members and/or officers, and so, would be allowed. However, these documents clearly prohibit comensation, and reduced assessments are a form of compensation, even if they are not salaries and is probably illegal. You'd have to look at the specific language of the insurance policy and what it excludes in coverage to answer that question. Policy coverages differ. Request that the board get a written opinion from counsel, regarding their policy.

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SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Laura - just would like to know:

Who voted for or established this policy for this board "perk"?

In the annual budget, under Revenues, someone should have noted some funny numbers.

When is the last time you had an audit or audit review?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JeannieraeO on 09/08/2008 5:38 AM
Taking compensation as a board of any non-profit organization is illegal. There just isn't any other way to put it. Your board my feel justified because of the hard work that they do on behalf of the Association, but there is no wiggle room here. Law is law.

Jeannierae,

That may be the law in CA, but other states have their own laws. Here's the law in AZ for nonprofit corps: "Compensation of directors. Unless teh articles of inc or bylaws provide otherwise, teh board of directors may fix the compensatin of directors."

My personal opinion is that directors and officers should NOT recieve compensation. It would be like paying themselves, wouldn't it? Can you imagine the fury in the assn if the board announced an increase in assessments to cover the expense of the board members' salaries? Some people argue that offering compensation means you would get more dedicated board members. I simply do NOT agree. Not all employees are dedicated to their jobs. Far too many are only concerned about collecting their pay check. Why would anyone think it would be any different with board members of an HOA?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
LauraD,

You stated: "Our BOD has been taking a reduction in their dues for quiet some time now and it states in our by-laws: Compensation...Directors as such shall not receive any stated salaries for their services."

IMO, the board members who are paying reduced assessments are clearly violating your bylaws because a reduction in assessments is really a form of compensation. And if your CCRs state all members shall pay the same rate of assessments they are also in violation of the CCRs. IMO, these board members should be asked to pay back all the monies they've received. If they do no comply then they should be removed from the board.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Our ByLaws allow the S/T to be compensated with Board approval. In my case as S/T, I keep track of my time on matters outside my duties, such as presently handling an insurance claim that a PM or outside vendor, such as an attorney, would otherwise handle. We are self-managed. Instead of money, I accept dues credits, though have never collected any. Membership is advised whenever the Board OKs my efforts. $50/hr, we figure, beats $250/hr an attorney would cost. I also get mileage credits for going to the bank, Post Office Box, etc.
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By JohnK3 on 09/09/2008 8:48 AM
Our ByLaws allow the S/T to be compensated with Board approval. In my case as S/T, I keep track of my time on matters outside my duties, such as presently handling an insurance claim that a PM or outside vendor, such as an attorney, would otherwise handle. We are self-managed. Instead of money, I accept dues credits, though have never collected any. Membership is advised whenever the Board OKs my efforts. $50/hr, we figure, beats $250/hr an attorney would cost. I also get mileage credits for going to the bank, Post Office Box, etc.
Reimbursement for expenses incurred on behalf of the association is not compensation. However, the association is required to send you and the IRS a 1099 each year for any payments (including fee offsets) for services.

(Betcha the association is not doing that, eh?)
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
George,

We just took over this year so no, we haven't filed a 1099. Though I'll make a note of that when tax time rolls around next year. Thanks for the heads-up. Let me ask, though - would that apply if I (or another Board member) "earned" credits but didn't "collect" them?
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
If you don't take the credits then you don't have income. As a note, a 1099 is required if the amount is above $400. (Well that was several years ago and the amount may be higher.)

Still, if your documents specify no compensation, then you should move to recover all compensation from former members and stop this process. Your D&O insurance won't cover you for something you do in direct conflict with the documents.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I don't know if in-kind compensation for serving on the board could be termed "salary.'

Do you give discounts for dues paid before the due date? We give a 10% discount if paid before. That figure is written off on the balance sheet.

The "value" of the compensation could be, too.

I am not saying that giving in-kind compensation is right or wrong, but I don't think it requires a 1099.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By KirkW1 on 09/10/2008 6:02 AM
If you don't take the credits then you don't have income. As a note, a 1099 is required if the amount is above $400. (Well that was several years ago and the amount may be higher.)

Still, if your documents specify no compensation, then you should move to recover all compensation from former members and stop this process. Your D&O insurance won't cover you for something you do in direct conflict with the documents.

Kirk,

I believe the amount is $600. However, just because you don't receive a 1099 doesn't mean you don't have to report the income. The IRS will tell you that you must report every penny of income! The rule of thumb to use is if you know the co/person you worked for is not reporting the income to the IRS, then you can get away with not reporting it. I would suggest calling the co/individual to make certain. Last year I had income from 2 different sources but never received a 1099 from either. Upon calling, I found one had reported the income, the other had not.
JeannieraeO (California)
Posts: 27
Posted:
I apologize for my blanket statement. I've worked in the non-profit sector for over 25 years and had a knee-jerk reaction to the concept. Any board I've ever sat on or any non-profit I've ever managed has always had to have an all-volunteer board. But again, that may be California Law. Directors are allowed to be reimbursed for expenses, (accomodations for a conference they had to attend on the non-profit's behalf for example) but compensation for their time is illegal here.
JeannieraeO (California)
Posts: 27
Posted:
1099 compensation is something I can respond to with confidence since I am an independent contractor and also a CTEC tax preparer. Kirk is right. You have to report any income over $600 whether you receive a 1099 or not. Also, the HOA is required to report the compensation to the Federal government on form 1096.

I believe it is a very bad idea these days to neglect to send in the 1096 because we are seeing an increase in audits in my office and the IRS auditors I've talked to have said their caseloads have doubled in the past year. That is an indication that the IRS is increasing surveilance and one of the areas they love to look at is the independent contractor compensation for a variety of reasons, one of which is the fact that they know it is under reported.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Our documents would not allow such a thing to happen.

First, our documents make very clear that the board is not to receive "compensation" or payment for their service to the board. They are only allowed to recompense out-of-pocket expenses that can are tied directly to expenses.

We can be reimbursed for toner, paper, and envelopes. We can NOT be "compensated" for the amount of time spent on writing, editing, compiling and distributing communications or correspondence (including invoices) with the exception of postage in the distribution portion.

Second, our documents do NOT allow for different assessment rates for different classes of residents, and that includes directors of the board. ALL assessment rates are tied directly to the lot ownership and not the status of the owner, since developer handover (the docs did allow the developer to be exempt from assessments as long as he held the designated class associated with his ownership during his control. That "class" disappeared on change-over and all owners are of the same class).

Any reduction in assessment rate for board members would not only be unethical, but illegal, in our HOA.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Michele,

Ditto for my current and also my former assn! In fact, I would not be surprised to learn that the majority of assn docs read this way. I've heard of some assn's that offer one month free of assessments as door prize for the annual meeting. IMO, this is a direct vioation of the gov. docs. I have never heard of a set of gov. docs that exempts any assn member from paying assessments, for whatever reason. I've also heard of some assn's that give a discount to those members who pay their dues annually instead of monthly. This too, IMO, is a violation of the gov. docs.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Jeannierae,

You said: "You have to report any income over $600 whether you receive a 1099 or not. Also, the HOA is required to report the compensation to the Federal government on form 1096."

This is not quite true. The employer is required to prepare a 1099 for earnings in excess of $600. However, the taxpayer is really required to report ALL income. The IRS does not give them a bye on anything earned under $600! That's why I recommend contacting the employer to find out if they are preparing a 1099 or not. Even if you don't recieve a 1099, the income may be reported to the IRS! I know this for a fact. I worked at the polls last year and was paid $220, but never received a 1099. When I called the elections dept I was told the income was reported to the IRS but they do not issue a 1099. I, of course, reported the income on my tax return.

ChrisG5 (Maryland)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Never allow a voluntary board member or homeowner a reduction in dues for anything, ever!
Priviledged Board members will only vote with personal vested interest in mind when you do that.
At your next meeting, motion that all board members pay what everybody else pays.

First check State law, it trumps hoa governing documents.
Check with your attorney or hoa tax accountant and insurance company.
In some states non profit board members may be paid for their services for non boardroom activities (such as shoveling snow, picking up trash on common grounds, tree trimming, etc.) and must file a 1099 with the IRS if over a specified amount per year. The question may be if they are treated as an Employee or Contract Labor. Contract Labor normally applies to someone who provides the same service to others. The board should bid on all jobs before the board votes and selects the provider for the election year or an agreed two year contract.

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ChrisG5 (Maryland)
Posts: 7
Posted:

Mary has the best advise regarding a 1099 Misc. Income Tax form and the IRS:
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"The employer is required to prepare a 1099 for earnings in excess of $600. However, the taxpayer is really required to report ALL income. The IRS does not give them a bye on anything earned under $600! That's why I recommend contacting the employer to find out if they are preparing a 1099 or not. Even if you don't recieve a 1099, the income may be reported to the IRS!"
==============================================================================================================

In the end, it is the responsibility of the taxpayer to report ALL income.
Also, know when you classify someone as an employee and know when to classify them as contract labor.
Sorry if I had contradicted her response!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I hope to see some input from a CPA or other financial expert in not-for-profit accounting procedures.

IMHO -

Compensation to Board members, EVEN in the form of a salary, is not prohibited. As George said, it is just EXCESSIVE compensation that will flag the IRS.

In waiving dues fees for Board members, the "compensation" is not a cash transaction and has an in-kind value only.

The cost of that compensation can be written off as "discounts" on the books.

This would all have to be permitted in the group's documents.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 09/11/2008 5:29 AM
I hope to see some input from a CPA or other financial expert in not-for-profit accounting procedures.

IMHO -

Compensation to Board members, EVEN in the form of a salary, is not prohibited. As George said, it is just EXCESSIVE compensation that will flag the IRS.

In waiving dues fees for Board members, the "compensation" is not a cash transaction and has an in-kind value only.

The cost of that compensation can be written off as "discounts" on the books.

This would all have to be permitted in the group's documents.


Well, I'm not a CPA and I certainly don't hold myself up as an "expert" -- I haven't worked in the field for many years. But, this is how I would handle the transaction. I would make an adjusting entry to credit assessment income and debit contract labor. If that is NOT done then the assessment income would be hard to reconcile each month or at year-end. Doing it this way also enables the treasurer to easily track 1099 info for year-end preparation as that info is contained in the Contract Labor account.

IMO, the compensation should NOT be written off as "discounts" because it really is compensation, whether the board member received cash or not. I'm sure the gov. docs. do not provide for assessment "discounts" to board members.

I certainly agree, the practice of allowing board members reduced assessments would have to be outlined in the gov. docs.
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Many neighbors in our community have stated that I should be paid for what I do. I try to be so helpful and probably go above and beyond my duties as President. However, the homeowners really benefit from that.

So this summer the BOD brought up that I should, in the least, get my dues waived. They are currently at $70.00 a month.

I don't do what I do for recognition, I do it because that is who I am, I like to help. So we are going to begin the process. I am not against it and my fellow BOD will not let it go.

Here is what my bylaws state:

Bylaws:Section (7) page c
Unless otherwise determined by the homeowners at a meeting duly called and noticed for such purpose, no director shall receive compensation for any service rendered to the Association as a Director. However, any Director may be reimbursed for his or her actual expenses incurred in the performance of duties.

We have low turnouts for annual meetings. Usually just the people who want to complain come to those because 80% of the community knows things are taken care of. My fear is that these same people, and not our supporters, will come and vote.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Tamara,

I think it's great that your fellow board members and the members of your community think that you shuold be compensated for all you do. It speaks well of your service to the community. However, that would definitely be a violation of your bylaws. Waiving your assessments is really a form of compensation, even though you are not receiving a check each month. So, do whatever your conscience tells you to do. I'm sure no one is going to complain if the members are behind this. However, members come and go. At some point in time someone may question this practice and the board wouldn't have a leg to stand on. At least that is my opinion.
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
Mary THANKS!

From my understanding in reading the bylaws I quoted here, we would have to have homeowners behind it at a meeting. That is what we would do, call a meeting with the homeowners for this specific purpose.

Unless I am reading the quoted bylaw wrong, and if it passed by vote of homeowners, I don't see how it would illegal or wrong.

Community first all the way!
TamaraW (Ohio)
Posts: 193
Posted:
I wish there was an edit on this thing - take away illegal or wrong and replace with violation.
ShelleyD (Florida)
Posts: 42
Posted:
Hi Susan,

Thank you for your reply. Just so you know I am a new member on the board that has paid my full dues and they still have not cashed my check and it is almost 50 days now. We brought up the fact that the board does not pay full dues and they got furious. Our treasure said they voted it in back in the 60's and he wasn't going there. In other words he did not what to talk about it. The treasure has a review done every year that costs us $2150.00. I am not sure what kind of paperwork is given for a review. Don't know if they match invoices with receipts or how that works. I had a resident ask to make a motion that the president contact counsel and give us back a written reply as to the legality of them reducing their dues. I hope we find this out at the meeting next month. I had called the attorney prior to the meeting and he told me it sounds like a whole lot of money needs to be paid back. Can't wait to hear what happens. In the mean time I gave our by-laws to a Real-estate attorney to review over the weekend. I will let everyone know what the outcome is.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Shelly,

Call it what you like -- discounts, donation in kind, whatever. Plain and simple it's really being paid for services rendered. Whether you recieve the money in cash or by check or in the form of a reduced assessment, it's money in your pocket. If your docs explicitly said directors/officers can be compensated the board wouldn't be taking a reduction in assessments, they'd be taking a check each month. "Compensated" means being paid for work performed; "reimbursed" means being paid back for out-of-pocket expenses. IMO, they're trying to get around the fact that they are not supposed to be paid for being a board member by "allowing" themselves a reduction in assessments. They should be told that they cannot write the rules! If they feel they deserve to be compensated for their board position, they should propose an amendment to the bylaws. If enough members of the assn are against thier actions in this regard, they should set about to have them recalled.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Shelly - someone ought to take the trouble to look up WHO the THEY was that voted in a reduced level of dues for Board members - AND if the THEY really had the power to pass that motion.

Any illegal motion ought to be declared that and recinded or voided. Please let us know what the lawyer says.

In the meantime, IMHO, I think that "waived dues" for board members is much more common than we all think . . .
GeorgerwilliamsW (Indiana)
Posts: 975
Posted:
Let me state my opinion. Payments for services rendered should
be above the table. They should not be in the form of discounts
or reduced assessments. The reduced assessment approach does
not pass the smell test with me. It has the potential for abuse,
and it breeds a sense of self-dealing, underhandedness and unfairness.
Compensation to officers and directors needs to be a line item in
the budget, and be documented with properly signed and endorsed
checks and recognized with a 1099 each year.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

By God George, I could not have said that better. Anything that is not documented and open for the membership to view and be able to swallow without questioning " How come he gets this and I don't?", to me is the right way to do things. Kudos to us for agreeing.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
I agree, George. And that's why I said it appears the board is just trying to get around the fact that the bylaws do not allow officers/directors to be compensated.

Unless the members of the assn rebel against this -- recall these board members if they have to -- this practice will continue.

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