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CharlieM (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
I am a board member of a smaller custom home community is California and we had a discussion recently about changing the existing parking rules and would like some opinions.

First, our rules state that there is no parking on the streets, period. We feel this is a bit strong and would like to change the rule to something like, "Temporary parking is allowed with no overnight parking". We are using a section in our documents to consider this change, but are uncertain if this section allows us to "lighten up" the parking rules a bit. The section reads:

" The board shall have the authority to promulgate as part of the Association rules such further rules and restrictions regarding parking and vehicles within the Project as may be deemed prudent and appropriate."

The word "promulgate" is defined as:

1. to make known by open declaration; publish; proclaim formally or put into operation (a law, decree of a court, etc.).

2. to set forth or teach publicly (a creed, doctrine, etc.).

Some members concerns is that you can only make the existing parking rule (no parking on the streets) more restrictive per the section mentioned above. Some say it gives you the flexibility to make any rules the Board would like to have in regards to parking.

I have been on this forum for a time now and have enjoyed the information shared by others. I would appreciate your opinions on this issue.

Thank you
CharlieM (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
And I forgot to add that our HOA owns the streets (private streets) and they are considered common area.

Thank you
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Charlie,

I think the Board has the authority to "lighten up" or 'tighten up" on any rule that affects the community. I don't think that phrase "further rules and restrictions" means that the rules can only become more restrictive.

If the Board communicates with the members and the members seem to agree with
the proposed changes, then there shouldn't be any major problem with changing the parking regulations.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Charlie - when you say "our rules state that there is no parking on the streets", do you mean your CC&Rs have that no-parking restriction? Or is that "rule" just one that is listed in the general rules from the original developer? If it's in your CC&Rs, then you can't contradict it with a board-passed rule. You would have to pass an amendment to the CC&Rs in order to loosen it up. But if it is just in the general rules, then I think changing those rules is what that section of the documents was meant for.
CharlieM (California)
Posts: 42
Posted:
Thanks for the quick replies!

The rules are part of CC&R's along with the Board's ability to "promulgate" the parking rules.

That is the source of this concern. Could it be that we could adopt a "rule" in our association rules that says something to the effect that " No parking on the streets other than temporary guest parking including no overnight parking."

The question seems to be why no parking and then on another hand we can enact further rules and restrictions.

DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
If the CC&Rs say no parking in the streets, then I don't think the Board could adopt a contradictory rule that allows on-street parking. If the community at large wants to allow it, then the community can amend the CC&Rs.

I'm guessing that the rule allowing the Board to adopt further restrictions was meant to allow the Board to deal with things like trailers or commercial vehicles parked in the driveways.
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
We took this same question to our association attorney and he said we could do it. Which we did; we changed some parking rules.

But to add some more thought on this---be careful when you simply say: No Overnight Parking. I suggest you define what is "overnight". We decided to coincide our overnight parking hours to go along with our "excessive noise" hours; which are after 10:00 p.m. and before 8:00 a.m.
KirkW1 (Texas)
Posts: 1,665
Posted:
I would have to see the wider document to say if you have the authority or not on this issue. It could well be worth having an attorney look over the document with you as well. It could be that you have the option of defining what the word parking means. For instance you could define parked as "stationary for more then 10 minutes." Or, "Stationary for more then 1 hour between the hours of 10PM and 5 AM."

At any rate, should you decide that you do have the authority, then the thing to do is to record the change at the county clerk and mail the change to all residents. It would also be good to include mention in any kind of newsletter that goes out. But I would not rely simply on the newsletter.

All rules can be changed, but some are harder then others. IF it is a covenant, then you would need to have the change voted by a majority (or super majority) as defined in the covenants.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Parking? Where? on both sides of the street? For how long?

What will the police and/or fire departments think of that?

Better do some real research on this. Some communities allow parking just on one side of the street. Do you really have the room to allow this?
WilliamT1 (Maryland)
Posts: 12
Posted:
Ultimately you should ask a lawyer about this, but it sounds like the board can make such a change. The board I'm on I believe can change our architectural, maintenence and "other rules and regulations" document without a public vote, but I'd like a lawyer to verify what I believe as well as the bylaws, incorporation, and covenant documents require various percentages of property owners to vote in favor of, and I just want to make sure that one of those items doesn't indicate the rules & regulations doc and I just didn't see that part. Yea, lawyers cost money, but their handy for keeping you out of trouble. We have a law firm specializing in HOA stuff on retainer, the retainer fee costs us $1500/year and court and lawyer fees are typically added to whatever a judge rules in our favor for so we don't typically pay those costs. We do have to pay for research, reviews, etc. and we believe it's well worth it for what we get back. We mostly use them for getting back assessment fees paid in court.
WilliamT1 (Maryland)
Posts: 12
Posted:
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Posted By SusanW1 on 08/22/2008 1:04 PM
Parking? Where? on both sides of the street? For how long?

What will the police and/or fire departments think of that?

Better do some real research on this. Some communities allow parking just on one side of the street. Do you really have the room to allow this?

That's a good point. Call your local fire department and have them come out and show where they would not allow parking and where they'r e OK with it. We did this a while back when we needed to repaint our firelane curbs to find out if we could use any old red curb area for parking or not. The fire department brought out their biggest truck for evaluating things.

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