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JenniferW6 (Georgia)
Posts: 3
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We have a unit that has not paid dues in 3 years (including assessments for a major repair) amounting to over $10K. I am aware that we can restrict access to common amenities such as parking spaces, which we have done. Our small community surrounds a courtyard with electronic gate access. Theoretically, we can restrict access to the courtyard and use of the gate. However, the owner would not be able to enter the unit through the front door if we did. The owner has a garage door that has no restricted entry. Although the owner can enter through the garage, and while it may seem odd to force someone to do so, is there any legal reason why we would not be able deactivate the owner’s gate code such that entry to through the front door is not possible?

PS: As to why the HOA hasn’t foreclosed on such a large debt yet, the bank has been trying to for the past couple of years. The owner keeps filing for bankruptcy to stave off the foreclosure, with each attempt being denied. We do have a lien in place, however.

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
I like the way you think however I would run it by the Association's attorney to make sure it doesn't violate any Georgia laws first. You don't want to delay things further or give this deadbeat a cause to file suit against the HOA.

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DonaldM3 (South Carolina)
Posts: 132
Posted:
Yeah, I agree with Glen.

When I lived in PA, a number of years ago, we had a somewhat similar situation (I do not recall many details) where the mortgage company started paying the delinquent association fees. A distinct relief for the HOA!
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
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Posted By JenniferW6 on 06/03/2008 8:18 PM
We have a unit that has not paid dues in 3 years (including assessments for a major repair) amounting to over $10K. I am aware that we can restrict access to common amenities such as parking spaces, which we have done. Our small community surrounds a courtyard with electronic gate access. Theoretically, we can restrict access to the courtyard and use of the gate. However, the owner would not be able to enter the unit through the front door if we did. The owner has a garage door that has no restricted entry. Although the owner can enter through the garage, and while it may seem odd to force someone to do so, is there any legal reason why we would not be able deactivate the owner’s gate code such that entry to through the front door is not possible?

PS: As to why the HOA hasn’t foreclosed on such a large debt yet, the bank has been trying to for the past couple of years. The owner keeps filing for bankruptcy to stave off the foreclosure, with each attempt being denied. We do have a lien in place, however.


JenniferW6,

Even though, I reside in Georgia. I don't know for sure. I too would ask an HOA attorney. Do you have an attorney on retainer? Couldn’t that particular question be answer with a simple yes or no? I would think that you could with proper notification, denying access to the courtyard, thus eliminating his access into his condo through the front door. However, due to the fact, that he has a garage you wouldn’t be denying him excess entirely.

BTW-do you have a PM? If so have h/her do the research. If not then it maybe best to get advice from an HOA attorney.

We’ve hired the best HOA attorney in Georgia. I’ll check his site and see if I can find anything pertaining to your question.

Best of luck and keep us posted.

Chuck W

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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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Jennifer,

I do agree with the others that your association should get a legal opinion BUT I can tell you that it would be highly unlikely that you could restrict his ingress and egress from his unit. But WHY??? has this gone on for 3 years? The bank and your lein don't seem to have enough clout to force payment. Are there no other legal means? But I know that you cannot lock him out.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
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I'll also agree with the others in that you probably should run this through a local attorney. I would think that since he can still get to his unit through the garage that you wouldn't be restricting his access to his property, so it would be OK.

However, other than being a PITA for him, what would you really accomplish. You wouldn't really be keeping him out of the courtyard since he could just come out his front door to enter the courtyard. Plus ultimately would he really care? If there is no real need for him to use the courtyard, has he really lost anything? In our HOA we disable access to the pool for non-payment, and that gets a lot of people to pay up after the first hot day of summer, but would loss of the courtyard really matter?
JenniferW6 (Georgia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thank you all for your responses.

We can run this by our lawyers--I was probably just feeling out an opinion before we cost the association more money. One detail I forgot to mention is that the unit is a townhome (and not a condo), so the front door is literally on the courtyard. While the owner would be able to just walk into the courtyard from the unit, coming back through the gate would not be possible. Any guests would not be able to enter via the gate, either (I suppose they could call the owner's cell and the owner could walk out and open the gate). I noticed, too, that the owner does not have a keypad on the garage door--from the outside, it can only be opened by remote control. I suppose we're grasping at straws at this point, so anything to make life more difficult for the owner could potentially prompt payment, but we're not holding our breath.

I'm not sure why the bank hasn't been able to get anywhere. The last bankruptcy filing shows that the mortgage has not been paid since 2004! We have tried to contact the bank, but they were unresponsive. We've considered foreclosing in the past, but there is no equity and now that the bank is trying again, we figure we might as well let them bear the costs, since the outcome will likely be the same.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
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SO IN THE MEAN TIME, THIS SLACKER HAS LIVED FREE FOR ALMOST 4 YEARS. BOY, AIN'T THIS SYSTEM BROKE.
JenniferW6 (Georgia)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Well, we have found out that the bank has filed a motion of relief from automatic stay to get permission to proceed with foreclosure (since the bankruptcy filing had ceased the foreclosure proceedings). The hearing is later this month. Hopefully they will be able to continue with the foreclosure and this mess will get settled.
IreneC (North Carolina)
Posts: 111
Posted:
I also like the way Glen thinks. Have you consulted and attorney?

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