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DianeK1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Have a resident who submitted plan for a screen porch.The roof of this particular porch does not have shingles. The ARB refused approval based on the CCR's stating that it is a building and rule states it must match house. The CCR's does not include porch in it's description, therefore there does not seem to be a reason for refusal. A meeting with the board and resident accomplished nothing. The 3 men on the board where very advisary,made personal comments to the resident about his demeanor and instead of offering to be helpful to approach the Board of Directors to see if they could all work together,they refused any further help. The resident produced pictures in the neighborhoods where these very same porches exist, installed by the same company. These 3 men agreed the porch was very nice, but they were stuck on the CCR's term of a building. A second meeting was arranged. In addition to the 3 ARB men, 2 Board of Director members were asked to attend, invited by the resident. The resident was barely acknowleded upon arriving. Once the meeting got underway, it was worse than the first time. Once again, a personal comment was made by one of the ARB members (same man as before).Very rude. When the resident calmly asked this man if he, the resident, had made some comment about him and his demeanor, the ARB man asked the resident if he would like to step outside. One other ARB man coughed every time the resident stated something. These 3 men were appointed by the Board President. What on earth can be done to change the members of this board. The CCR's does clearly state that the ARB should not be "Unreasonable" for any reasonable request. Any comments will be greatly appreciated.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By DianeK1 on 06/03/2008 10:04 AM
Have a resident who submitted plan for a screen porch.The roof of this particular porch does not have shingles. The ARB refused approval based on the CCR's stating that it is a building and rule states it must match house. The CCR's does not include porch in it's description, therefore there does not seem to be a reason for refusal. A meeting with the board and resident accomplished nothing. The 3 men on the board where very advisary,made personal comments to the resident about his demeanor and instead of offering to be helpful to approach the Board of Directors to see if they could all work together,they refused any further help. The resident produced pictures in the neighborhoods where these very same porches exist, installed by the same company. These 3 men agreed the porch was very nice, but they were stuck on the CCR's term of a building. A second meeting was arranged. In addition to the 3 ARB men, 2 Board of Director members were asked to attend, invited by the resident. The resident was barely acknowleded upon arriving. Once the meeting got underway, it was worse than the first time. Once again, a personal comment was made by one of the ARB members (same man as before).Very rude. When the resident calmly asked this man if he, the resident, had made some comment about him and his demeanor, the ARB man asked the resident if he would like to step outside. One other ARB man coughed every time the resident stated something. These 3 men were appointed by the Board President. What on earth can be done to change the members of this board. The CCR's does clearly state that the ARB should not be "Unreasonable" for any reasonable request. Any comments will be greatly appreciated.

Diane,

The reason for denying this request is ludirous to say the least. The h/o is not building a new porch, it's already there! The request is only to screen it in and that's all that should be considered. Is there an appeal process in place. Most assn docs state the board shall hear appeals and the final decision is theirs. If you docs state this then I would advise the h/o to appeal to the board and hopefully they will have better sense than these 3 buffoons onthe ARB. If you are a board member I would be pushing to remove these individuals from the ARB posthaste!

BTW, I really hate the use of the word "reasonable" in CCRs, state laws, etc. What's "reasonable" to me may not be "reasonable" to you. Just too much left to interpretation!!!
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Sounds like a building of something to me if the roof has to be addressed.

Screening in is just that, putting in screens to enclose.

But if there is no roof, there can be no "enclosing."

So it sounds like they are creating an entirely new structure by adding screens AND a roof to cover the area.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
There is the porch issue - and THEN there is the issue of the demeanor of this Committee members.

Write a letter to the Board expressing your concern about how residents are treated when approaching this committee. Stick to the facts. State actual behaviors of members. Ask the Board president to speak to the committee on how to conduct meetings. If possible, read this letter to the Board at its meeting (if you are allowed to attend meetings) if not, ask that the letter be read and put into the meeting minutes.

That will be warning Number 1 about this committee. If this becomes a HABIT of how they treat people, then document EVERYTHING, and get them removed. There is no excuse for rudeness. It's a power trip for these committee members and the residents are the victims.

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