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JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
First off, this is a great site for anybody interested in HOAs, and I'm thankful I found it. It's been immensely helpful, and also entertaining.

Second, based on all of the posts I've read, most of our correspondents are either current Board members, former Board members, or are seeking/thinking about becoming Board members. I fall into the "current" category.

My general question: WHAT prompted you to take on this usually thankless, time-consuming, often troublesome and frequently frustrating path?

To quote E.A. Poe:

"A thousand injuries I had borne at the hands of Fortunato. But when he ventured on insult, I vowed revenge."

Yup. That's what got me to drink the Kool-Aid.

Our HOA was in disrepair. The 2006 Annual Meeting drew two warm bodies: Our Prez (the only current Board member out of three slots) and the PM.

With the 2007 AM a month away, I contacted the PM and suggested that rather than holding the AM at the junky municipal room 5 miles distant, that we hold it someplace on the property, as was permitted by our ByLaws (as in, the Board could choose), in hopes we'd get more participation. Her response was a flat NO, with the aside that I didn't understand how to read "complicated documents" like the ByLaws. After I informed her I had a law degree, and had worked (in a previous life) on state(s) legislative matters for over a decade, she switched gears and said she'd contact "an attorney" (turned out to be the PM's in-house counsel) for an opinion. 24 hours later, at a cost of $150 charged to the HOA, she reported back that NO, they knew what was appropriate, and that the meeting would be held at the JMR. If I didn't like the location, I was "free not to attend."

But I did. And managed to get 6 others to show up. Me and one other HO volunteered to stand for election. We were both elected.

Salvation came a few months later when the PM sent us a proposed 2008 budget, upping their fees to 1/3 of our total budget, increasing dues by 12% for the privilege of her/their fine services.

With the unanimous support of our Membership, the Board cancelled our contract with her/them and we went self-managed.

So far, so good, despite the occassional thought that we, the Board, could do without the minor hassles of management.

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

How about you?

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Hi John,

First of all, I wholeheartedly agree with you in your assessment of this site. A great place, populated by many, many great people!!

Now, on to my story of why I decided to run for the board. This was about 10 years ago and at an HOA where I do not live now. This was a new s/d and HOAs were new to me and to the majority of the 48 other property owners moving in. When we were considering purchasing a home in this s/d I was informed of the presence of an HOA. HOA, I thought, what is that! I was informed we were required to read the CCRs b/4 we could sign on the dotted line to purchase. We did this, and couldn't see anything wrong with the restrictions we were to live by, so we signed. Then I set about to learn about HOAs. The city was holding a Neighborhood Leadership Forum which included several sessions pertaining to HOAs. Naturally I attended. About 7-8 months later the developer sent a letter announcing the annual meeting and informing us he was turning over control of the HOA to the members. He asked for volunteers to run for a board position. Being a person who likes to be "involved" I naturally decided to run. I had already learned a lot about HOAs so I thought that would be an asset together with the fact that I was an accountant so wouldn't have any problem performing the duties of treasurer. This was a smalll community of only 49 homes so we would definitely be self-managed. There were 5 board positions and 5 candidates; so the election was really a no-brainer. I was appointed Treasurer and served my 3 year term. I won't say it was all "up hill", in fact there were many rocky roads to scale. One of my new neighbors, whom I'd become very friendly with, hated HOAs with a passion. Don't know why they ever moved into the community. At any rate she set about to try and make my life miserable and proclaimed to me that she was sorry I was her neighbor. All this because I was a board member! She would send nasty letters to the board, but mail them to me. I never, ever had a problem with anyone I had to send a delinquent assessment notice to. However, the CCR violation notices were quite a different story. Although I wasn't involved with that, as I was not on the A/C committee; some people who received these notices showed hard feelings toward all the board members. This is very difficult to deal with when living in such a small community. When we first moved in I thought living in a small community would be great -- everyone would know their neighbors and everyone would be friends. Well, it didn't turn out that way and the HOA was to blame for alot of the hard feelings. People can't seem to understand that board members have a duty to uphold the CCRs whether they agree with them or not. We now live in a community governed by an HOA with 1,702 members. I am not a board member and only attend the annual meeting and an occasional meeting throughout the year. Our assn is very well run. I have communicated with the property manager on numerous occasions and am very friendly with the board Pres.

For the past 10 years I have been very involved in HOA issues. I was instrumental in getting my city to hold an HOA Training Academey and I've been actively involved at the legislature. Over the years I've been able to help a number of people who've contacted me asking for my opinion on an issue with their HOA. This year I was successful in getting my Senator to sponsor a bill amending the open meeting law. At this point it's hung up in the House rules committee and may really be dead. It all has to do with "playing politics" as there was no opposition to the bill.

John, I wish you continued success in the self-management of your HOA. I would be curious to know how members and whether you are a condo or planned community.

And, that's my story, and I'm stickin to it!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

John And Mary,

My story. After turnover, our Board consisted of 3 members. As a resident, I saw many times, the 3 guys were overwhelmed and making some "iffy" decisions reguarding our court case against the Trucks/Escallades. There got to be personal differences between them.

AT that time, I petitioned the Board for an amendment to increase the Board to 5 members, They agreed, we had the amendment written and could not get enough votes to pass it. They tried it again and after a precount of ballots returned, they could see that it would not get enough support--again.

So I asked if I could walk the developement with the amendment in hand and collect them right away. The lawyer said yes as long as I did not tell the member how to vote and to have them sealed in an envelope. I walked for 9 days and gathered 84 votes, of which we had sufficient "yeses" Handed them in at the next meeting. Amen I thought.

The Attorney was present and he told the 3 Board members that they now could appoint the new 2 members. I shrunk down in my chair. I DID NOT WANT TO DO THIS.

But I became the Board member who knew our docs inside and out and I could find any Statute or law in a heartbeat. When I moved to Tennessee, they were scared to death but I still help them out from up here. Now I have to fix Tennessee because we have no HOA laws up here.
SidneyP (Florida)
Posts: 302
Posted:
Well, John, guess I'm just a glutton for punishment...I had the time and have always liked to keep busy. Have always done alot of volunteer work. And I truly saw the need of some knowledge to the running of our small community (77 TH's) We are hurting as far as finances go due to many delinquencies....What our Board did to the community was unthinkable. The Board hired a MC that charges double what we were paying which means they are increasing the dues just to pay this MC as you stated your increase would do.

Being as small as our community was, I offered last year to self manage/w a Board of course. so that the Association could get out of the red....stating we could darn well not get any worse off than we were. If it didn't work out, we could once again look for a MC....We are paying double and this MC has made just as many mistakes as the last two....so we're paying double for nothing....I do not place the blame completely on the MC's because they work for the HOA and follow the directions given by the Board...Of course that is if the Board bothers to give any directions or keep a watchful eye to see things are done as should be....ours did/does not.

I will still gladly offer to self manage w/a new Board but it will take a little long to get us out of the increased financial mess we are in.
JohnK3 (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 967
Posted:
Mary,

We're a small potatoes (or potatos, I've heard some spell it!) Planned Community with 21 SFDs, begun in 2001. Current income of about $19K which, having opted for self-management, should allow us to increase our Reserves from the current $5K to maybe $8K at year's end, leaving us with a decent cushion in Operating to carry us into 2009. 30 acres of open common areas, 4 ponds, one fountain and zero delinquencies.

Some would think Membership would do whatever they could to assist after our sterling performance, esp. saving them $7K in PM fees. Some also think space aliens live amongst us (on Earth, not just in our subdivision) and that Elvis is really alive.

No such luck. We sent out a ballot to Membership a few weeks ago to vote on an Amendment to the ByLaws regarding audits. Number of responses? Nada. We figure we'll try again after the Annual Meeting, but this time Personally deliver them to our precinct members and this time pop for SASEs that they can also employ to send in 3rd Q dues. Hopefully, that free stamp will prompt a better response.

Maybe Sidney summed it up for many of us: gluttons for punishment!

Carry on...as best you're able to.
SheliaH (Indiana)
Posts: 6,964
Posted:
I was a first time homeowner when I moved in 7 years ago, and my home inspector noticed that the roof didn't have enough vents, although he could see the spaces for them from the attic. He thought the building code at the time didn't require them, but warned the association risked getting its manufacturer's warranty voided because the roof wasn't installed according to its specifications.

Other than that, the house passed inspection (even the roof didn't have any problems), so a few months after moving in, I attended a meeting and asked about this. Some of the members seemed dumbfounded (one said it probably explained why one part of his house was so much hotter than the other).

Of course, the board had a number of other problems to deal with at the time, so I joined the board in part to ensure that this subject would at least be discussed occassionally. Well, a hailstorm in 2006 took care of the roofing issue - and now we have the proper number of vents!

In the meantime, assorted problems with foreclosures and CCR violations continued, and so I stayed on the board. Then our president quit abruptly and our current president took over. She had some health issues at the time, so I decided to learn more about the ins and outs of board operations to help out.

It's been an interesting ride, to say the least, but I have learned a great deal and like to think at least I'm trying to solve some of the community's problems instead of sitting around and complaining. My term is up next year and I've decided that if I am re-elected, it will probably be my last because I AM getting burned out. Thus, I have a new pet project - getting our revised CCRs ratified by the homeowners before I step down!

If it is not right do not do it; if it is not true do not say it. Marcus Aurelius
KellieP (Maryland)
Posts: 6
Posted:
Hello everyone
I am soo appreciative of the stories below as well as the postings full of factual, rational, helpful advice. I desperately need this in my current situation.
Here is my story short and definately not so sweet...

History: I have purchased a property in a 188 single family home community in Maryland that is still under construction. So far four builders have built in this development in less than two years and only one has stayed since the beginning. (Our builder pulled out three months after our house was complete.)

HOA is run by developer until 74% of homes are complete. (Maryland HOA Law)Development started 2006 completion date 2012. Development is broken into 5 sections. Section 1 and 2 are single family homes 130 plus completed early 2007. Section 3 (my section)40 plus single family homes.. .still under construction but only seven lots left to sell. early 2009 completion..Section 4 and 5 future commercial area..just broke ground..completion supposedly 2012. positioned right in front of section 1 and 2. not section 3.

Here begins the problem..We moved here last July attended first HOA meeting in sept. over 80 people attended..great to see..only 10 people spoke up including my husband and I. several things became quite clear..only a few homeowner's knew anything about HOA's..they did not trust the developer..site plans were unknown for the commercial property by many..neighbor's hated each other over bylaw violations..those who spoke up said nothing could be done until after the transition in 2009..i have begun researching HOA issues and Maryland HOA Law..i have realized that before transition is when you need to get involved..i am one of 7 people who are trying to figure this mess out..I am forwarding facts and resources to neighbors who ask and i had an informal meeting at the library where 15 attended..all agree we have a big problem on our hands..no one agrees how to fix it..one man has informally led the development under the guise he ran an HOA in the past..turns out he does not even know the bylaws..i questioned several facts he gave on the bylaws at the last HOA meeting and showed him where he was wrong..he got very mad and then several of his neighbors told me to back off..i was new..i simply said i want everyone to have facts not opinions..now there is a rift between the sections and the developer..i have looked into the pro's and con's of no hoa and am beginning to think we might want to go in that direction..the county takes care of landscaping, trash, snow removal and code violations..we have no pool, community center or major common areas. our budget is a joke with all expenses on lawyer, property mgmnt company and accountant..only small pocket goes to landscaping...help..any advice???

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