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PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
We solicited several bids to do a reserve analysis. We have about 150 estate homes and a small "party" building and 10 acres of common grounds (including a tennis court and pool). We are not a condo and the HOA has no responsibliity for homes.

The bids came back in the $5,000 to $10,000 range - including one where the PE wanted to spend 2-3 days on site.

Did we do something wrong or are our expectations wrong or is someone taking us for a ride? I would be interested in the range of costs you have experienced.
GrahamO (Ontario)
Posts: 55
Posted:
PeterB1
Your question is interesting, Peter. I ran it by Jonathan Juffs, the co-author of our book, (Jon is a full-time, professional reserve planner) and these are some of his remarks.

Jon said … First of all … “there is no inspection of the homes and their associated individual amenities. That leaves things like the common roads, lighting, sanitary systems, storm drainage, water works, the tennis court, pool, party building (and its shell and appurtenances). Most of these components are buried and should not be overlooked. The recommended reserves plan may justifiably include a contingency amount earmarked for these components”.

“In Ontario, where we work, reserve fund planners are relatively un-regulated, and our rate would be something like $3K to $5K depending how remote the property is, or complex the actual unit boundaries are. If your state has rigorous requirements imposed by the professional engineers or insurers, it may be that your costs reflect higher rates than ours. In my opinion, your lower-end quotes seem to be about right — the upper end is too high”.

“The 2 or 3 days of site time does seem excessive. However, some clients tend to greatly underestimate the amount of office time spent quantifying and costing the numbers. There may be some trade-offs”.

Hope this helps a bit, Peter.
HeatherB2 (Oregon)
Posts: 16
Posted:
Wow, that sounds steep. I am in Oregon, so maybe things are different here. Our annual reserve study is around $530. It includes over 80 homes, a few small common areas.

The do a full report with color photos, graphs, etc.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
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Posted By HeatherB2 on 06/03/2008 2:07 PM
Wow, that sounds steep. I am in Oregon, so maybe things are different here. Our annual reserve study is around $530. It includes over 80 homes, a few small common areas.

The do a full report with color photos, graphs, etc.

HeatherB2 - You said it, you have few common areas. The amount of homes (if they are indeed single-family free standing) is irrelevant except for the fact that the $530 expense per unit is divided by 80 of $6.25 per unit/home. In PeterB1's case the cost per unit for his association's study could cost from $33.00 - $67.00. Money well worth the expense as a budgeted line item.

HeatherB2, I do not concur that PeterB1's study sounds steep, or is steep for that matter. Your association is apples, he is oranges, no comparison.

PeterB1 - I strongly recommend you get a copy of Graham and Jonathan's book. It will assist you and your association in developing a broad 'Scope of Work' for understanding the importance and components of a quality Reserve Study. 2-3 days for a 10 acre site with outbuildings and infrastructure may need to be increased. Budget for the most that you can in a Capital Reserve Replacement Analysis, and Deficiency of Element Study according to industry and building code construction standards. Try not to create a special assessment to raise the funds for the studies, rather try to eliminate or shave off as much discretionary spending as you can and budget for the expenditures.

Best of Luck!!
Gerald
PeterB1 (Florida)
Posts: 257
Posted:
Gerald,

We have an established reserve fund that goes well into 6 figures. If we could allocate $10,000, it would not be in a 'study', rather it would be added to the reserve funds.

We have been using contractor estimates for repair and replacement to determine costs. While it may not be the optimum method, it obviously has saved us $10,000!

peter
RichS (Florida)
Posts: 13
Posted:
We recently had our 168 unit townhome community undergo a reserve study. We have 22 buildings that comprse the units, a pool area, detention pods, roads, mail room area and the common grounds, probably 8-10 acreas. Our cost was $3,000.00. My community is in Brandon, Florida (Hillsborough County). It's a very comprhensive report and shows us just far off we are in our reserves thanks to a builder and first management company that set our monthly assessments wayyyyyyyy to low.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
PeterB1 - I'm very well versed in Reserve Studies. Rather than provide you the information first, describe in depth what a Capital Reserve Replacement Analysis will detail. This will assist me to more proactively assist you and your association.

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