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RickF (Arizona)
Posts: 2
Posted:
I have been President of our communities board for 18 months. My experience comes from 30 years or top executive management and corporate boards. I have a member at large and VP who seem to have a hidden agenda to force my removal as well as disband the association.

I have tried everything in the books to try to work through this and make them find their way to be part of the team. However all attempts have failed and they know are starting to create descention within the community by craeting a movement for my removal. Due to the new AZ revised statutes this will require 25% of the community to petition my removal. Though I do not feel they will be successful it poses in the general memberships heads that we are a bunce of morons. This I feel is counter productive to building a strong community.

Though they are only two of six plus myself, I seem to find them having meeting every week within the community with certain homeowners as I suspect they are conducting their own meetings. Anytime the board communicates (brainstorms not vote or make final decisions) these two members never take part ro participate at any time. During open meetings they are disrespectful or rude...mostly directed at me. Lately since I have noted this activity, I have had a harrassment injunction filed against me (dismissed by the courts / found to be not true and without basis) and four formal complaints to the management company of which was never pursued by the homeowners (just mud slinging my name). On all occassions these two members have been at the very core of the incident.

I am a servant of the community like the other four. I am aware of my fiscal and fiduciary responsibility to our community. I have considered is it really worth it. A large percentage of the community has thanked my for all the work I have put into this and many ask me to never leave. Some just want me on the board forever. I just have to ask my self is it worth all the frustrations. Can anyone share their thoughts on how best to deal with this. I am really getting tired of fight an uphill battle. I also beleive the other four board members are frustrated as well.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Rick,
I haven't posted much due to family concerns so let me give my impression of your posting.
Dr. Phil says every Pancake has two sides. If all I had to base an opinion on was your message I would be on your side, as I know this kind of thing happens.
So, to be fair those giving advice should know the other side of the pancake.

As you know the way to solve conflict is to understand the reason and work out a compromise. Lot's more to your story, but, as noted, this does happen. If it truly is a situation that you have counterproductive members on the Board, I would first call a Town Meeting and ask the Board members to explain there reason for being on the Board. Obviously, there is differences and maybe they are right, I doubt it, but trying to solve the problem behind closed doors is not working. If these Board Members elect not to show up, be prepared to state your case to the members, just try and build support.

This may seem a little odd to do but I feel the more members know of Board dissent the quicker progress can be made. This all turns the camera on the Board and their response is likely to be vocal publicaly and let them make their case. Get it out in the open.

Still seems strange that two people have such venom for a Board president. Now I have seen a few that deserved it, but you don't sound like you would fall in that category.

Keep this panel informed. Lots of good people post here, much smarter than I.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Your title says "parallel board" - Unless they are conducting business on behalf of the HOA, this is not a "meeting", rather it's a gossip, social, or brainstorming group - nothing more. Why are you so threatened by these gatherings?

Keep your eye on the ball - the only "meeting" you need to be concerned about is the official meetings of the Board. Anything else is just community relations bantering back and forth.

My favorite saying is: You don't have to answer every barking dog. Ignore the mud-slinging and stand by your record of action on the Board.

JC3
Posts: 290
Posted:
Interesting post. I had just begun wondering if we had a phantom board. I'm feeling many of the same things Rick is. The reason some of the others wanted on our board is total control of the people--they want their own little kingdom. One member was recently replaced, and now they have the majority to destroy what was a decent place.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Rick,

I have not seen your "style" or mode of operation when functioning as association president, so I don't think I can fairly pass judgement on the situation, or on you personally.

However, taking a cue from your own statement, "My experience comes from 30 years of top executive management and corporate boards", let me focus mainly on the reference to "top executive management."

There's a difference between being in a work environment and being on a board, especially one made up of volunteers. With 30 years of executive management, you may have become accustomed to a mode of operation that is inconsistent with being a member of a board that is supposed to operate according to democratic principles. I say this only because I have seen this happen before. You may be operating in a mode that, after 30 years, has become so natural to you, that you are not even aware of it.

Here are some things to keep in mind:

1. Most likely, the homeowners elect the board members and the board members elect the president. This means the president works FOR the board and serves at the pleasure of the board. Not the other way around.

2. The president is not the president of the board. He or she is the president of the association. As a board member, the president is an equal and has one vote, the same as any other member.

3. The president is not "in charge". He or she presides at meetings.

4. The board is not the president's staff, as it might be in a work environment. I've seen presidents with a number of years in management conduct board meetings as if they were staff meetings. All board members are equal.

5. When the president signs a document, or a letter, the president is not approving the board's action. The president is AUTHENTICATING that the action represents that of the majority of the board.

I could go on with more, but you get the general idea. I am not saying that you are actually guilty of making these types of mistakes, but I have seen them made by others with a lot of years of managment experience. Sometimes it takes a little self retraining to learn to operate in a different mode.

In a work environment, the president's authority comes from above. In a democratic society, the "authority", or more correctly, the responsibility, comes from below. They call for two different tactics. So, if you are having some difficulty, it may be due to your "management style" or mode of operation.

This may be at the heart of the two board members that you are having difficulty with, or maybe they are just renegade members. All I can say is try to be more aware of what your mode of operation is. Based on your statement, you certainly have excellent credentials; that is why, I am sure, you were elected to the board and why you were elected as president.

I do wonder though, aren't the terms for your officers one year? (I think for many boards in HOAs, this is the case). If so, then to serve for 18 months means you were relected. That must imply something.

Good Luck.
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Bruce,
Personally, I think your synopsis is a wonderful read on being President of an association. I agree totally. However, at least in SC, the State law concerning Condominiums directs that the President should act as if he/she is a CEO of a private company. It really says that and it has always stuck in my craw. Your observations make much more sense, but, we have had presidents that "Fall back" on this CEO business as a means to do what they want. I also don't believe the president is the conductor of the band as much as the keeper of the harmonic keys.

An individual president that conducts himself like a CEO is making a huge mistake. CEO's are not elected by the people either.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:


Welcome Back Mr. Robert,

Your humerous wisdom has been missed. We all hope that Mrs Robert is doing better.
Good advice on the first post from you. Donna
RickF (Arizona)
Posts: 2
Posted:
Thank you all for your valuable input. I agree with most all the advise. I would like to impress upon everyone that I only used my past career experiences to demonstrate that I did not just fall off the turnip truck. One of my most valued assets throughout my career have been my ability to devlope a keen sense of easily identifying problems, an outside of the box problem solver, being a team leader, motivator and a patient educator. I am also well versed on our bylaws, CC&R's and our states revised statues. However, I am smart enough to know that I may not know everything thus the reason I joined this forum. It was my sounding board on this one.

I kid you not when I describe my concerns, the activities from these two members are under mining the community unity and trust that the rest of the board is has been trying to develop within our community for the last sixteen month. Also the only reason I have been president of this board for longer then a years was because it took us for month to get enough homeowner to vote for new board members and this is sad because we only needed 31 ballot votes. This is a grave concern for me as well as four other directors during these times of economical unbalance.

Financially we are fiscally sound but from a membership stand point, we can not get this community to take part at all. One well taken point was to bring the community together and have the counter-productive board members to explain their reason for being on the board. Hect we can't get more then 8 out of 311 homeowners to attend regular meeting. We have addressed these issues before in open session and both members just become compliant and act as if they do not know what we are talking about.

In any case we will be holding board nominations for the officers positions in three weeks. I am going to wait until after that night before I proceed any further. I want to see what takes place at this open meeting.

Again...thanks to all for your input. I will keep you all posted on this if there are any further developments.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Here's the thing, if these two members can launch and engage in a whisper campaign, where they can go behind the board's back and spread their own information, word of mouth, from one homeowner to another, then perhaps the rest of the board should examine the possibility of a similar campaign.

If the current board members, including yourself, do not have enough neighbors to whom you can simply walk up to and start a friendly conversation with, then perhaps you need to rethink your regime.

Is your board is so far removed from the neighbors that they can't do this?

I know that volunteers that serve on the board for most HOAs don't have a lot of "free time," however, it might be worth your while to simply pick a few streets and get out and knock on a few doors and do some informal, "Hey, how you doin'?" weekends.

You can counter the two board members' "undermining" with your OWN "undermining."

And I don't mean to say go trash these people. Not at all. Just go and get quality face-to-face time with the residents, that way, when the bad apples' whisper campaign gets going, you will have neighbors out there who can see you are 1) interested in the neighborhood, 2) not in a gilded or ivory tower somewhere issuing edicts, 3) friendly and approachable, and 4) real people with real concerns for the neighborhood, JUST like they are.

It might also help your attendance issues.

People don't mind blowing off people they don't "know." If they have a friendly and familiar "face" for the board, and they already have a connection, they might be more likely to drop on by for your get-togethers (i.e, meetings).

Just a suggestion.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Michele,
You make some good observations Michele. It is also easier to stay in office than it is to push someone out of office. The reasons are obvious. Is there a Website connected to this Regime, an excellent toool to dispell rumors and such, also a platform to raise awaremess of the Regime. If not, how about e-mail lists, send out e-mail "Blasts", your rebels don't have that capability. It is also true that apathy is hard to overcome, but, it can be done. One way to start is with not trying to convert everyone but start trying to convince a select few they will benefit from having interest in the association, then that select few will get more people involved. Don't try for 100%, try for what you can reasonably get. You don't want 300 owners breathing down your neck, you want at most fifty on the team to get things done. Obama's effort to gather the flock comes to mind, one person at a time.

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