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JulieM2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 11
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In going through this mess of documentation as the new Secretary, I think I'm losing sight of what the purpose of the By-Laws are versus what the Declarations of Covenants & Restrictions are supposed to govern. Our original by-laws changed from something that seemed to govern the board to something that just looks like a bunch of tennis court and pool rules - no real history in the file as to why, but they both say By-Laws at the heading. I've attached the verbiage for what is supposed to be the new By-Laws. I'm in Tennessee where we have no state law governing HOAs. Thank you!
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MaryA1 (Arizona)
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Posted By JulieM2 on 05/20/2008 11:29 AM
In going through this mess of documentation as the new Secretary, I think I'm losing sight of what the purpose of the By-Laws are versus what the Declarations of Covenants & Restrictions are supposed to govern. Our original by-laws changed from something that seemed to govern the board to something that just looks like a bunch of tennis court and pool rules - no real history in the file as to why, but they both say By-Laws at the heading. I've attached the verbiage for what is supposed to be the new By-Laws. I'm in Tennessee where we have no state law governing HOAs. Thank you!

Julie,

The bylaws generally outline how the business of the HOA is conducted. Usually contained therein are requirements for meetings, quorums, elections of the BOD and officers, filling vacancies, notices, duties of officers, committees and assessments. IMO, the tennis court and pool rules should be separate as they appear to be additional rules which are generally adopted by the board w/o a vote of the members. The Declaration would contain all the restrictions the members and board must abide by. Your board may want to consider a revision of the bylaws. Also, the procedure for amending the bylaws seems a bit complex. They may want to review that and make some changes. Generally the bylaws can be amended by the board w/o a vote of the members; however, it takes a vote of the members to amend the Declaration.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
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These can't be your complete bylaws - are they?

They look like they are adopted amendments and standing rules themselves.

For example: WHERE and WHEN does the vote to amend the bylaws take place?

JulieM2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 11
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I know - I can't tell if they were trying to replace the existing By-Laws or add/amend them - what are your thoughts?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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Julie have you looked to see if the By-Laws are on file with the county recorders office? By-laws are generally filed with the county (at least here in Ohio) and may be available on-line although depending on your counties budget documents from 1987 may require you to visit in person. Look specifically for the "Instrument Numbers" specified in the paragraph titled "Reference".

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JulieM2 (Tennessee)
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Posted By GlenL on 05/21/2008 2:50 AM
Julie have you looked to see if the By-Laws are on file with the county recorders office? By-laws are generally filed with the county (at least here in Ohio) and may be available on-line although depending on your counties budget documents from 1987 may require you to visit in person. Look specifically for the "Instrument Numbers" specified in the paragraph titled "Reference".

Yes - I already got everything from the recorder's office - no by-laws were never filed although I did get what you saw from our attorney's office (it was signed by 4 board members) - crazy, huh? There is also another set of by-laws that were created earlier than this one by the developer, and they are the standard by-laws governing the board that make perfect sense to me. ***I guess my question would be, though, if what I attached earlier isn't the by-laws, what is it? It seems the way it's written that the intention was to replace the earlier by-laws with it (but that would be ludicrous, wouldn't it)? Shouldn't the "Pool Rules" version have been written up as a Resolution rather than as the by-laws they appear to be?
JulieM2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 11
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no by-law were EVER filed...sorry!
JulieM2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I should also have said that the Instrument Numbers referenced in the "Pool Rules" by-laws (that I attached) were referencing the DC&R....confused yet?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
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This looks to me as not a replacement of the By-Laws but as an addendum to them. It may have been a simple clerical error that the first set wasn't filed; it happens. What does the attorney advise the HOA do?

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RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
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Julie, your assumption appears to be correct. The attachment should not have included any reference to By-laws since these are Rules and Regulations. I would presume your original By-laws are probably still in effect. It would be best to correct this problem by updating the By-laws and the Rules & Regs in two independent documents.
DonN (Michigan)
Posts: 357
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There is a lot of confusion about CC&Rs and bylaws. Different states appear to have different definitions and requirements.

The CC&Rs are recorded against the property units and run with the land. They are governed by property law, much of which is common law. Typically, a provision in the CC&Rs sets up the owners association to administer the CC&Rs. It is typically a mutual-benefit nonprofit corporation unless your state has a law setting up a different kind of organization. The CC&Rs also typically make the owners mandatory members of the owners association. Check the language in your CC&Rs to understand the specific authorities granted to the owners association, and any requirements concerning owners (who are the members).

If set up as a nonprofit corporation, it is governed by your state's nonprofit corporation act. Typically, a government agency is responsible for certification of the nonprofit corporation upon appropriate application and filing of the articles of incorporation. Your state may or may not require the bylaws to also be filed with the state.

The articles and bylaws of the nonprofit corporation should define the governance of the corporation of which the owners of property units are the members.

While the corporation (association) may be given the authority to write rules and regulations for administration of the CC&Rs and use of common facilities, those authorities are derived from the CC&Rs and are therefore extensions of the CC&Rs. They are not part of the bylaws.

Michigan has typical confusion. The state has a condo act but the association of co-owners is a nonprofit corporation, but no act for other forms of common interest developments. The condo bylaws are typically recorded, but the bylaws for other owners association may not be. The state requires the articles of incorporation to be on file with the state (available online) but not the bylaws.

Likely, the laws in your state will dictate the required distinctions and what has to be recorded with the Register of Deeds and what must be on file with the corporation bureau of state government.

But maybe it helps to distinguish between owners and members
****Owners are part of the CC&Rs and controlled by property law.
****Members are governed by nonprofit corporations which are controlled by the nonprofit corporation act.
It is clear as mud!!!!

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