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LindaM8 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
In my community, we have 4 pools, and I noticed last night there were a group of people using our pool, they didn't have a key to get in, but reached over the gate and opened it. Then 2 men joined them at the other entrance, they let them in. The men proceeded to go through the garbage collecting cans and left. The woman stayed and swam. What can we do about that? Any ideas? I guess this is not uncommon here. I think we should stop it due to liability if nothing else.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
lots of things you can do, but they all boil down to a cost or an inconvenience. You can lock the gates and provide passkeys (which get lost, duplicated, etc.). You can install scanners and readers, or cameras or sentries. You can run them out with security.

First thing you should do is make sure they aren't renters, however. Perhaps an owner rented his pool time to some folks for the evening.
LindaM8 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
We do have locked gates. The one gal reached over the gate and opened it from the inside. They could be renters, we are a large complex, thier actions led me to believe they were trespassing. I was just wondering if some of you have come across this and figured out a way to stay on top of it.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
I guess your definition of "locked" is different than mine. no worries.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:

"rented their pool time for the evening"?!?!

Now I've heard everything (okay, so not everything, but darn near!)

And I would have thought that "locked" meant "not able to open without a key" (and/or passcard, etc).

I wouldn't consider something "locked" that could simply be opened by a reach around.

LindaM8 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I think initially the fences and gates were set up to keep little kids out; but now that I realize we have "neighbors" using the pools, we need to figure something else out. A locked gate should be a deterrant for trespassers, but obviously that is not the case. :>(
I just wondered if there was a way to nip this in the bud now that it's 100 degrees and then some.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I not only think there is a way, I'm of the mind that the sooner you move to find a solution, the better for everyone.

Like was mentioned, it's probably going to be neither cheap nor convenient!
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By MicheleD on 05/19/2008 2:01 PM

"rented their pool time for the evening"?!?!

Now I've heard everything (okay, so not everything, but darn near!)

And I would have thought that "locked" meant "not able to open without a key" (and/or passcard, etc).

I wouldn't consider something "locked" that could simply be opened by a reach around.


Michele, this is really no different than the other thread, where people were renting their home on the lake for the weekend. If you can rent a home by the night, why not rent it by the hour? Or rent out the amenities by the hour?
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Linda since our pool fence and gates are open bars (easy to reach through) they require a key to open from either side.

Studies show that 5 out of 4 people have problems with fractions
AnnaD2 (Florida)
Posts: 960
Posted:
Linda, My first question is, are there signs posted at the gates of the pools stating that the pool is for the exclusive use of the residents of the HOA"?
LindaM8 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Glen and Anna: both are great ideas. No, we don't have signs stating that; and it wouldn't be that expensive to put locks on both sides. Geez!! See, I knew I'd get some help!!!!
Thank you.
IreneC (North Carolina)
Posts: 111
Posted:
All the responses from posters are great. The sign may be helpful but so will the lock on both sides. No trespassing signs are a great deterrant, our community had to get CCTV to assist with a few other issues, but over all the signs did make a bit of difference.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Some HOA issue beach "tags" that must be carried to the beach and shown on request. This seems to work very well, with a paid beach monitor.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Linda:

All you need is a chain and a padlock....post no trespassing signs...keep the area lit...install fake cameras...install pool covers...
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:

LindaM8,

Ideally a magnetic card read (F.O.B), will keep those unauthorized to use the amenities from entering the pool area without permission. This card reader can activate and deactivate cards very easily. Our association purchase and had installed the year before last and it has reduced the majority of the trespassing and vandalizes!

A less expensive alternative would be too:

A.)Lock the gate (NO BRAINER)-it isn’t a “locked gate” if you can reach over the top to gain access!

B.)Call the police-have them arrested, that WILL reduce the amount of trespassing to your pool.

C.)Post NO TRESPASSING SIGNS

D.)Post signs stating that all-TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW- all damages and expenses will be assess to the trespasser.

E.) Post sign on the front gate, to announce the hours permitted. You may have such signage posted already, just making sure though!

These are just a few of the many ideas you will likely receive and all can be done within hours and save the members (of the association) hundred upon thousands of dollars.

I would highly suggest acting on these suggestions immediately. These alone will likely keep those you have seen in your pool after hours, OUT!

Best of luck and keep us posted.

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
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Posted By BradP on 05/19/2008 8:30 PM
Linda:

All you need is a chain and a padlock....post no trespassing signs...keep the area lit...install fake cameras...install pool covers...

Careful on the idea of fake cameras. We were thinking about doing that at our pool, but we were strongly advised against it. If something were to happen at the pool and somebody requested to review the video that didn't exist, it could be a liability issue.

We wound up installing an access control system backed up by a real video monitoring system. Best investment we could have made. Besides cutting down on the problems of trespassing (usually teenagers from other nearby neighborhoods), the system has also allowed us to identify troublemakers and disable their access codes. We also don't enable somebody's access code until their dues are paid up, which helped bring in a lot of outstanding payments when the temps where in the 90s.
LindaM8 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Thank you all so much for your ideas. For a quick inexpensive fix, I really like the idea of the beach tag. I also like the card reader and video idea, but we do have 4 pools and that could be more than we can handle financially at this time. I will keep you posted, and again, thank you!

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