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MarshaF (Oregon)
Posts: 36
Posted:
We are a small residential gated community in rural Oregon. Our bylaws state that: lots shall only be used for residential purposes. No commercial uses.

I just found out that one of our homeowners who is building but has not finished yet, is going to rent his house out to the general public as a vacation rental. We are not a destination resort. We are a private residential community.

This opens up a whole can of worms, since if someone should rent and get hurt on our common area -we could be sued. Plus who is responsible for their actions should something happen.

What are your thoughts on how to deal with this ? Does anyone have any ideas or have dealt with this issue before ? I say, we don't allow it, and either the board should be able to make that decision or put it to a quorum vote.

Since the bylaws state residential use only, renting seems to defy this.
Since we are a gated community with common areas, the idea is to keep out the general public. If the gate code is known by others, then nothing is secure.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Marsha,

I don't believe you can prevent a property owner from renting out his home unless your gov. docs. specifically state "no renters". Renters are no different than members with regard to liability issues. The property owner is responsible for any violations committed by his renters. With regard to your remark: "Since we are a gated community with common areas, the idea is to keep out the general public" -- someone living in your community as a renter should not be thought of as the "general public". That renter is a resident just like you, except that you own your home and he/she rents his.
MarshaF (Oregon)
Posts: 36
Posted:
I don't have a problem with long term renters as they typically enter into some kind of rental agreement, usually have insurance, adhere to the rules and they are there for months at a time. You get to know who they are.

I take exception to renting by the night, since that makes you more of a hotel, or resort than a residential community and even tho the owner is responsible, a lot of damage can be done in a short time. I say this because I owned a vacation rental once.

I also would worry about liability since we carry insurance now should someone venture onto our common areas (over 400 acres) and hurt themselves and want to sue us ! This was on the advice of an attorney.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i tend to agree with Marsha.. if the contract said "no businesses" which it seems to say, then running a boarding house/bed breakfast or weekend rental cabin seems to be a business. There is a major difference between renting to someone for a year, and renting to 52 different people in a year... the gate code, insurance, etc. all seem very feasible fears in that case.

to me, the bottom line is the rule says "no commerical" enterprises, and renting a home by the day, week, etc. seems pretty commercial to me.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Marsha,

Sorry, I misunderstood. I would suggest the board adopt a rental policy. One of the stipulations in the policy would be that a property could not be rented for a period shorter than 6 mos or perhaps 1 year.

Regarding the liability issue. Anyone injured on the common area should be covered by your liability policy, not just homeowners. Suppose the guest of a member were injured? Wouldn't you expect them to be covered by the liability policy? No different for a renter.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Your legal contract is with the owner. Your recourse is with the owner. The owner is responsible for tenants abiding by the CC&Rs. Your CC&Rs give you the legal ammunition to use if the owner and/or his tenants do not abide.
In any event, I find it difficult to believe, if you are indeed not a "destination" vacation area, how successful this owner will be with short term rentals. What would be the attraction? You could be working yourself up over problems that might not happen.
MarshaF (Oregon)
Posts: 36
Posted:
Our planned development is not a destination resort but we are near a lake that has camping, boating, fishing, etc. So there are recreational things to do in the general area.

Thanks to everyone for their input. I too feel that renting your home by the day or week is much different than having a dedicated renter for 6 months or a year.

Have a great weekend,
Marsha
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Marsha in addition to the time restriction for rentals and besides enforcing against the homeowner which is an absolute must because they are ultimately responsible for their tenants actions I would suggest the BOD with the help of an attorney draft a rider that all H/O's must include in their leases going forward. Some things I would seek to add if allowed under your state's Landlord/Tenant laws.

1. The right to initiate an eviction action against problem tenants with the legal costs being assessed against the H/O.

2. That the tenant must provide contact information for everyone living in the unit.

3. Something to the effect of if the homeowner becomes delinquent with their assessments then the Association can collect them and any past due amounts directly from the tenant and the owner must credit the money paid by the tenant as rent. In other words if your monthly assessment is $150.00 and the H/O is delinquent and the BOD collects the $150.00 from the tenant directly then when the tenant sends the owner his rent minus the $150.00 the owner must credit it as if the tenant paid him in full.

4. I would also include language that if you have amenities (pool, tennis court etc.) the owner either assigns the amenity to the tenant and cannot use it for the term of the rental or keeps it for their self and the tenant can't use them.

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EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
I continue to be amazed at this statement:
"for residential purposes. No commercial uses."
A single family residential home rented to a family for a week,
month, year is still a single family residential home.
Comments, Please.
Edie
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
just to play devil's advocate, you do not believe that renting an item to another person for a period of use is commerce? You do not believe that renting things is a business? Hotels, resorts, beds/breakfasts are not in a business/commerce? people who rent homes do not consider them a business? a rental cabin on the lake, with nightly rates, is not a commercial endeavor?

the IRS would love to speak to you about your definitions. They consider the rental (or sale) of an item or service to be a business/commercial transaction. State tax agencies do to, and require taxes be paid (often times).

Or, to stretch the analogy past the breaking point, if your spouse declared she was a single man kind of girl, but she rented herself out to strangers nightly, is she still faithful?

HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
"...item to another person for a period of use is commerce? You do not believe that renting things is a business?" Of course it is. So why is it o.k. to have long term rentals but not short term? Both are a business. In both cases the property is being used to produce income. So how can a board allow one but not the other?
There are so many threads here on renting out property, since it has been discussed so frequently. Some citing court cases. It is int an open and shut situation.
And I'm not so sure an HOA board has the power to draft such a document controlling rentals as Glen suggests, unless their CC&Rs address rentals.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
I kind of agree Harold... renting is a business. the difference in SOME cases is that some HOA's say that you "cannot run a business from your home"... and the people IN the home are not running the business, and the owners of the home are not running a business IN THAT HOME (the business is run elsewhere). It's weak arguement, but i always wondered why HOA's with "no business" rules did allow renting.

Perhaps the difference is that renting for long periods is somehow different: overnight guests, weekend guests require extra traffic, that the fridge be restocked, dishes cleaned, laundry done, etc. between guests, which is more like running a business IN the home.

Honestly, i don't know... i am kind of tossing ideas here and hoping one of them sticks... It does raise an interesting question for an HOA... if I live in an HOA with a pool, spa, tennis court, etc., can I rent out my use of those amenities? Can i charge strangers $10 and let them swim in the HOA pool?

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Harold that is why my advice was to consult with an attorney to make sure it's valid in the OP's state; each state's Landlord - Tenant Act is a little different. It is allowable in Virginia I've posted the link before to an Association there that has done it. Unless the CC&R's expressly prohibit leasing or have express limitations in them then IMO it's allowable and in most CC&R's there is a provision allowing the BOD to make rules.

As far as yearly vs. daily or weekly rentals it's apples and oranges not the same thing at all. Most jurisdictions have specific laws concerning hotel / motel / boarding houses and often require special taxes. Next time you're in one, take a few moments to read the sign posted on the inside of the door in mice type. It also could violate local zoning ordinances, fire ordinances, etc. or require a license from the state to operate along with a local business license.

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MaryN (Virginia)
Posts: 125
Posted:
We recently attended a seminar and short term rental of residential was addressed. VA Supreme Court Case 2007..Scott vs. Walker interpreted a covenant restricting the use of the lots in Harbor Village Subdivision in Bedford County..the court decided that the phrase residential use is ambiguous as to whether it requires an intention to be physically present in a home for more than a transient stay and as to whether the focus should be on the type of use of the property by the owner and the renter. Moreover, the court added, if there was a duration of use component to the phrase residential use it is ambiguous as to when rental of the property moves from short-term to long-term.

Hope this helps,
MaryN
EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
Owners of Rental Homes/Vacation homes may be the investors business.
That's why IRS has a passive income rule. IRS does not consider home
rentals as a business. If rental of a home was considered a "commercial
endeavor" then the home would have to have meet commercial codes, such as,
handicap access, fire sprinklers, etc. The IRS codes are designed to encourage
investors of real estate. When real estate times get tough, it is sometimes only
the investors that can afford to buy and put those home purchases into the home
rental market for affordable homes for the public. Until there is a change in
laws to delineate between weekly, monthly, yearly rentals, a rental is a rental.
HOA's however can write their CCR's to address the difference in rentals providing
they are in compliance with their individual State Codes.

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