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IreneC (North Carolina)
Posts: 111
Posted:
Our management company's office mgr if "friends" with the current president.

This normally would be fine if things could be ran professionally otherwise which hasn't been the trend. Lots of private conversations from the management company has happened with our President.. who is not one to communication very well, usually at all. She recently did a walk through with the MC didn't notify anyone and mailed out correction letters? Actually she did the walk through with her friend board member who obviously had no issues telling the walk through about... ( That is an earlier post )

The board on a whole approached this with the MC at our annual meeting. It was felt that the MC was not completely at fault, but we did question as to why all the business was being done outside a meeting, why our President only shared needed details with her (friends) selected few on the board.. she took it personally, her response was defensive and we didn't feed into it. We had more than one example to support the trend.....

The issue now? Small, but I really need some outside help here.

*I emailed our MC yesterday as we have an enclosed display case in the garage that locks. ( Perfect for minutes, flyers ect. ) The key has been missing for years... and in fact our President has been taping annoucements on the glass... tacky and easy to remedy I thought. I asked the MC to please if there is a handyman or locksmith assess the situation ( new agenda item) to assist us with opening lock and replacing it. ( Our own onsite office has 50+ keys that I checked out and none of them work.... for the case) This is an easy problem to remedy. Be reminded I emailed the MC and I didn't CC to the rest of the board as I wasn't even sure if we had access to a locksmith or handyman I was just asking.... and wishing to add this to the agenda. I got an email from the MC stating they would follow up on it and get back to me asap. (5pm)

Last night at 9pm I got an email from our soon to be ex president ( 3 more weeks to go ) which stated only one line to me only.... the key in the office key box didn't work forthe glass case in the garage...

So once again, we have the friends at the MC calling the friend on the board asking for her to check the keys in the office on site. ( we all have access to this... and why wouldn't that request come to me? ) in regards to a request that I originally started. I emailed the Pres back and forwarded it to the whole board stating I already checked the keys, and I asked Qiana to help with getting info to remove the lock.. How did the friend to friend start calling again??

I myself am not closed to thinking about a new managment company. There are enough incidents like this, and it's a total conflict of interests.....

I should approach via next meeting in our executive session.. any advice on what should be presented or how?

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Irene I'm not so sure that anything wrong was done here on the key matter except by you by asking the MC to do something and not CC everyone on the BOD. Usually there's one contact person for communications between the BOD and the MC. Otherwise everyone on the BOD would be calling with different directions. IMO you were just as in the wrong as the president not inviting the whole BOD on the walkthrough.

Why is it a conflict of interest?

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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Irene,

Brian has said what I would have told you also. In my Association, the President OR whoever has been given the nod to, is the contact person for the M.C. Otherwise, there are too many chefs in the kitchen and all of the orders she recieves might be contradictory or much worse, unauthorized by the entire Board. A good M.C. is going to document any orders given to her that are not in their normal daily jobs. And having mulitple sorces of instructions is not easy to follow and to keep track of who wants what. I'd say that you need to worry less about the relationship between the President and the M.C. If you saw my M.C. and our President, you would think that they were siblings who couldn't give each other enough flak. But they think alike and work superbly well together which many outsiders just don't understand. Just get the Board members to communicate with each other better and some of your worries will be put to rest.
IreneC (North Carolina)
Posts: 111
Posted:
Glen, I do not have the time to list all incidents with this managment company. There are plenty, but mostly it's the fact that the current method of communication is with one board member who is friends with the manager... they socialize outside and honestly if I had a few hours I could list everyonething.. It isn't all on the management company, but the norm is that they contact this "freind" with follow ups vs. the person who is asking for help, assistance, maintenance. The Friend on the board is not good at all about sharing except with her boyfriend who is also on the board..

I want to know how I can approach this, and I am not looking for anyone's judgement on me.. just advice thank you.
IreneC (North Carolina)
Posts: 111
Posted:
If you would like an example..

I had a plumbing emergency. I called the MC and plumber.. I asked for them to contact our neighbors to coordinate our work. The issue here I called the MC, I am not only a homeowner but a board member. It was a simple routine plumbing issue, but it was urgent..

I came home from work to get greeted by my neighbor who was telling me... Petra.. the Board President called me and told he that this was an emergency and that I would be responsible if I didn't let the plumber in..

Notice who followed up, but notice who I originally called... since when does this become the role or a board member who is not directly involved? I am the homeowner...
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
If you called the MC for the plumbing emergency then you wanted the MC to take care of it and the Association to pay for it; then why do you think it's inappropriate for the BOD president to be involved? Especially if from what you said this is typical behavior. If you didn't want anyone from the BOD involved then you should have called an outside plumber and paid for it out of your pocket.

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IreneC (North Carolina)
Posts: 111
Posted:
Glen, I paid for the bill it was my own issue. My bill was for $280 it was my own plumbing issue that required a snake to be ran from my unit to the one below.. You sir are very quick to judge. I am not here to argue or prove myself. I am asking how do I approach my concerns with our management company? I have in the past asked for things to be confidential as far as complaints ect. but even that Mr. Glen has made it to the ears of the President.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I can understand your frustration, but I'm just not sure that what you are talking about is all that unusual or inappropriate.

A management company does not work for each individual member of the residents association. It works for the board, in general, and to function in any organized way, it simply works better to have a single communication conduit into and out of the organization.

I would be livid if I were the president of the board, and most likely the board member designated as the point-of-contact, if I discovered the management company were taking calls and responding to all sorts of resident requests, complaints, instructions, what have you, without first clearing each such instance with the board, in other words, me. The exception would be to handle emergencies as needed, but then to put me in the loop as soon as practical.

Even if I didn't have to pre-approve or pre-clear everything, I would definitely require that I be notified at the very least of all that is going through there office on the HOA's behalf.

I don't like surprises, and boy would it surprise me to find a bill of some sort that we had incurred due to certain levels of service that might be above and beyond what we have technically contracted for with the MC.

I have a strong sense that there is a personal issue between you and the president. That's fine, I work with many people I have personal bad juju with.

But we have to be especially careful in those cases that we ourselves aren't being biased and over-reaching ourselves because we simply don't like a person.

We have to force ourselves sometimes to step back, take a few deep breaths and try to identify within ourselves if our complaints about this person are untainted by our personal feelings for them.

It's not something to be defensive about. It's human nature. The thing is, we need to learn to filter that out whenever we stumble across it. In the long run, it's in our own best interests to be sure that we aren't falling prey to our own personal issues and sabotaging our own perspective in the process.

If after feeling the situation out with other individuals, in an unbiased and fair telling of the situation, and you and they feel there is at least the appearance of impropriety, you may want to figure out some way to delegate the single=point-of-contact with the MC through another board member, say, the vice president.

Just an observation. And a suggestion.

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