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MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Our Association's bylaws require a yearly audit. However, to the best of my knowledge, no audit has ever been performed since the corporation was formed. Our Board is asking me, the new Treasurer, to recommend an accountant and arrange for a review. Our problem is that we have no records from before I started on March 26, 2008. Is there value in having a review of the last two months? Should I possibly wait a while until I can get more of a bookkeeping and reporting system operating? I do have control of the bank account and there is no reason to suspect wrongdoing. However, there is no way to tell much of anything at this point. Thanks in advance, Mike.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Mike,

Do your bylaws specifically call for a CPA conducted audit or just an audit? There is a big difference between the two. However, in either case, an audit must be performed - not a review or a compilation. Generally the audit is performed at year-end. If a CPA conducted audit is not required, you can ask for several members to volunteer to conduct the "audit". Hopefully you can find people who at least have some bookkeeping knowledge! Also, depending upon the size of your assn, if a CPA conducted audit is not specified in the bylaws you could have a CPA conduct a review instead of an audit.

For more info in the various types of financial reports, please see the info I posted just recently under the thread entitled "Member audit committee - is it legal?".
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks Mary. I don't think CPA is mentioned in the bylaws. We would be most comfortable having a CPA perform a review. I will suggest that we select an outside firm as soon as possible and plan on having their review done in early January 2009.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
If you do not have a full year then I would not pay for an audit. Wait until 2008 closes and then do an audit.

Here are 2 CPA firm's that do HOA's in NJ; Warren Beede 732-493-8334 or Dave Furlow 732-747-0500. I used to use both of them when I managed in NJ. Good luck.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
What do you mean you have no records?

Are they lost, misplaced?

Or did you just get established then?
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks for your help. Our corporate records prior to 2008 seem to be lost or misplaced. At last night's BOT meeting, I was asked to find answers to the following questions:

1) What records would be needed(if we can find them) to perform a CPA review of previous years?
2) How many previous years (if any) do we need to have reviewed?
3) What is the risk to the corporation if we don't review previous years

Thanks in advance, Mike
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Thanks for your help. Our corporate records prior to 2008 seem to be lost or misplaced. At last night's BOT meeting, I was asked to find answers to the following questions:

1) What records would be needed(if we can find them) to perform a CPA review of previous years?
2) How many previous years (if any) do we need to have reviewed?
3) What is the risk to the corporation if we don't review previous years

Thanks in advance, Mike

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1) for each year: all bank statements for all bank accounts, check register(s), invoices, contracts, copies of monthly financial statements, copy of reserve study

2) just previous year unless you have suspicion or evidence of foul play. Traditionally an audit or review should be performed each year at the end of the fiscal year, which might be the calendar year

3) if no foul play is expected IMO there is no risk in only having an audit conducted for the previous year

If the records prior to 2008 cannot be found then you will have to wait until the end of 2008 to have an audit or review conducted for this year. Just go forward from 2008 and put controls in place to avoid this from happening again!
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks Mary. We can certainly buy copies of old bank statements from the bank. That done, is there any point in having an accountant review the 12 bank statements without any other supporting documents? Thanks, Mike
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Mike,

I would say "No"; what would he have to compare them to if there was no check register?
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
My thoughts exactly. Reviewing the bank's statements really doesn't accomplish much. The President is set on my reaching out to a couple CPAs and presenting this scenario to them for their comment. I'm guessing we'll all agree. Thanks, Mike
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Mike, an audit is out of the question. You can't even do a financial complilation. How did your HOA ever file taxes? I suggest what is most important for your HOA is to setup internal accounting procedures which the Board can monitor by monthly financial reports and comparison to financial institution independent reports.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I'd be more concerned about not having the past minutes of the meetings (where the financial report is attached each month, along with any other reports)

Make sure that your annual report is filed with the State, at least. (In Michigan, it's called the Annual Report and keeps your corporation on active status)
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Indeed. We found that our annual reports to the State of New Jersey had never been filed. We reached out to the State and they were very helpful working with us. We were able to get reinstated without too much trouble. I do have copies of federal income tax returns that were filed for 2002-2006. I can only guess as to how these filings were substantiated, but I would guess that the person who filed them had access to records that are not available to me.

The absence of minutes is a big concern, but that is not on my plate unless they are required for an accountant review. Our President wants to be in compliance with the bylaws and the annual audit requirement but I don't see how we can review records that we don't have.

Roger, where would you suggest we start to get ourselves in the position you are describing? Thanks, Mike
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Mike,

Roger stated: "You can't even do a financial complilation." A compilation could very easily be done with only a few months worth of records, although, IMO this type report is meaningless. A compilation is merely a presentation of managements assertions in a financial statement. In other words the CPA doesn't prepare the f/s, he merely looks at one prepared by the assn treasurer or the mgmt co. There are no inquiries, assurances or even an opinion expressed. If any obvious errors are detected he will ask that they be corrected, but that's about it. Traditionally speaking, an audit or a review should be conducted after year-end. Considering the cost I wouldn't recommend otherwise. However, a compilation doesn't require very much effort and could very easily be conducted quarterly or semi-annually.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
I think worrying about a full blown "audit" is the least of your problems . . .

Good luck!
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Mike,
Setup internal accounting procedures which the Board can monitor by monthly financial reports and comparison to financial institution independent reports. I suggest you start by establishing Rules and Regulations on Delinquent accounts (example for an HOA with very few delinquent account is attached) and provide these to all owners.

Internal controls include:
1. Require all incoming checks to be payable to the HOA.
2. Pay all bills from an HOA checking account. To protect agains a mechanic's lien we stamp the back of a contractor's check (see attachment).
3. Have theft insurance sufficient to cover funds. Requiring 2 signatures is required by some HOAs, but it is not required by banks in Colorado. Therefore, this provides little or no protection.
4. Setup all owner, vendor, and other financial transactions in a digital accounting package (we use peachtree). This allows ease of creation of necessary financial reports.
5. Provide monthly financial reports, which are understandable to a layman, to all Board members with an email address every month. This should include a Balance Sheet, Income Statement, Accounts Receivable, checks issued, and other desired financial reports. We also create a cash flow/budget chart. It is a break down the annual operating budget into monthly income and expenses on an spread sheet. This spread sheet allows each Board member to monitor all financials on one piece of paper. It is an effective financial management tool. The Treasurer should always ask questions on any items not understood.
6. Receive statements directly from financial institutions and compare these against the Balance Sheet and when necessary compare to the checks issued.
7. Conduct an annual financial review by HOA's finance committee or by an independent accountant.
8. Maintain files on all financials and taxes for at least 7 years.
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MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks Roger, we can do this. Traditionally, committee leaders with authorized budget are reimbursed by check for out of pocket expenses. Is there a safe an easy way to handle this? Are we keeping the coffee receipts for 7 years? Thanks Mike
RogerB (Colorado)
Posts: 5,067
Posted:
Mike, issue a check for out of pocket expenses, including coffee expenses. We use a 3 part check with the bottom portion maintained in the files. Receipts, invoices, etc are attached to that portion of the check which describes the expense(s). These are attached to the monthly check register and filed by month in a folder labeled Accounts Payable. All folders are saved by year. Thus it is relatively easy to find historical data in the folders which are filed in boxes each year (or two).
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Thanks again Roger. You are very helpful. I am ordering the checks today. Thanks, Mike
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Mike,

I don't know what the size of your assn is, but when I was treas. of a small 49-member HOA I set up a petty cash fund for small expenditures. It worked quite well. But, for a large assn that employs a management co, I don't think it would be a good idea.
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
I would rather not handle cash at all. We are small (76 homes) and self-managed. The committee chairpersons have always turned in a wad of receipts and gotten a check. I'd like to start requiring them to sign something that shows the date, amount and a statement that the expenditures were for association purposes. Then I would file the statement, receipts and check stub as Roger suggested. I don't want to create a burden for myself or the submitter, but I don't want to be out of control either. When I see receipts with dozens of items and marginal descriptions, I get a little nervous.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Mike,

I fully understand not wanting to handle a petty cash fund. There's certainly nothing wrong with you requiring anyone asking for a reimb. of expenses to prepare a signed statement noting the date, amount and purpose of the expenditure. You could draft a form to be used for this purpose. At the bottom add a line for their signature and the date & check number of the reimbursement.
You could also note on the form the amount to be posted to each applicable expense account. All the receipts would be attached to this form. The rule I had was if you didn't have a receipt you weren't reimbursed!

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