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MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Hi All,
I am the new treasurer of a HOA that is experiencing conflict. Regarding my new responsibilities, I am wondering:
1) Is email sent to me considered written notice to the corporation?
2) Am I required to reply to unsolicited email received from homeowners?
3) Am I required to make copies of financial records for anyone who wants them, whenever they want?

Thanks in advance, Mike
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
1) Is email sent to me considered written notice to the corporation?
If you are conducting business that way, yes. Not sure what you mean by "written notice". If it's a legal notice they want to get to you, they are foolish to send it email. US mail is the standard for "written notice"

2) Am I required to reply to unsolicited email received from homeowners?
No - not required, but if it is a question you can answer, go ahead, as a courtesy. You can give out information, of course. Save a hard copy of all correspndence, just as you would written correspondence. Do not respond to threats or demands.

3) Am I required to make copies of financial records for anyone who wants them, whenever they want?
What financial "records"? A year-to-date revenue/expense report, reported against the budget, and a Balance Sheet should be available to interested members - after you have presented the report to the Board. Any "deeper" view into the accounts (itemized account activity within each category or the checkbook) is not necessary UNLESS provided for by your CCRs, bylaws or state laws governing your HOA or condo association.

Good luck! Welcome to the squirrel nest!

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
1) Email is written notice, imo

2) nope, but depending on what it is you may want to be polite and respond.

3) If a member yes, but your association should have guidelines on when, where and how much to charge, if anything.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
#3... Read your CCR's, By laws, and state laws. Members are allowed ACCESS to your financial records, but most states do NOT require that the HOA provide photocopies at every request. If a member wants a photocopy, most laws allow a minimal charge to cover the costs.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Conducting "business" over the net is not premitted UNLESS it is in your CCRs or State Statutes or bylaws.

hoatalk (California)
Posts: 603
Posted:
1) Is email sent to me considered written notice to the corporation?

In my understanding 'official' notice to a corporation would be notice sent to the 'official' corporate address filed with the Secretary of State; at least for 'legal' notice. For example, to send an official notice to GE, you would not just pick some random GE address (like a parts warehouse). You would send it to the corporate HQ or the address of the legal corporate agent.

By the same token, sending email to you personally would be like sending postal mail to your home; neither are official corporate addresses. It would seem neither would be written notice to the corporation unless you have an email address that is published as the official contact for corporate financial matters. Then 'maybe' it could be. However, there is no good way to ensure an email was ever actually delivered (SPAM filters, etc may block it), so the sender would never know you even got the email unless you reply as such. Yes, you can use delivery receipts and read receipts but neither prove 'you' actually read the email.

On the other hand, I understand email can create a valid contract:
See: Can an E-mail Agreement be a Binding Contract?

I'm interested to hear other opinions on this.


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TomS12 (Florida)
Posts: 19
Posted:
An attorney and town manager both told me (independent of each other and at different times) that emails are now considered legally binding "documents".

Unsolicited email on the other hand, is considered "spam", is it not?

In FL, the State statutes require the responsible party to provide copies of financial records, etc. to any homeowner who requests them and the at the provider's "cost".
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By hoatalk on 05/01/2008 6:54 PM
1) Is email sent to me considered written notice to the corporation?

However, there is no good way to ensure an email was ever actually delivered (SPAM filters, etc may block it), so the sender would never know you even got the email unless you reply as such. Yes, you can use delivery receipts and read receipts but neither prove 'you' actually read the email.


This is no different than snail mail. sending it does not provide proof I received it, receiving it is not proof I opened it, opening it is not proof i actually read it, etc...

If, as some people have suggested/done, you can create a rule or law that "dropping a stamped properly addressed envelope in the US Postal system is considered proof of delivery...", then why couldn't the same rule be applied here? Hitting "send" on a properly addressed email and sending it through a private company (which the US Post office is) should also be considered proof of delivery.

TomS12 (Florida)
Posts: 19
Posted:
I should clarify my previous comment re: providing statements. In FL, the provider of the statements can charge money for them but ONLY their cost to produce them and no more.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Mike still needs to tell us the circumstances and define what "written notice" means.

Notice of what?? A complaint? A supenoa? Health violation? Notice to Quit?
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
My question is with regard to notice in the generally understood sense, defined in the dictionary as "information or warning of something". Written notice is notice expressed in writing.

Because I collect the corporation's US mail from our place of business, when I sign for a certified letter addressed to the corporation, the corporation has received written notice. Although I have never received a certified letter addressed to me at the business address, I would consider that to be receipt of written notice by the corporation since I am and officer.

Sometimes people write notes with their checks. I always try to respond, but sometimes it gets away from me. I don't consider these notes to be written notice and I don't think the sender does either.

However, I am afraid that people could be thinking that by sending an email to me using a personal email address of mine, they are initiating official written correspondence with the corporation. There has not been any guideline issued by myself or the corporation that would indicate that this is the case. It is my belief that this is a misunderstanding. Am I OK here?
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
I seriously doubt that any judge would accept an email message as proof of notification, no matter what any attorney or town manager told me. Ignoring the problems with spam filters and the general unreliability of email delivery, an email message is nothing more than a text file, easily edited by any text editor. I can put together a message to provide any kind of notice that I want, with any kind of time stamps that I want. Since I run my own mail server, I can even make the server logs show that the message was delivered. A judge would have to be a fool to accept any of that as evidence of notification.

Snail mail is a little better. I don't know about dropping a letter into a mail box, but by sending a certified letter you now have documentation from a third party as evidence of delivery. If somebody tries to claim that they initiated official correspondence by email, I doubt if it would go very far.
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
In particular, It is the use of my personal email address that worries me. When I sign for a certified mailing received at the Association's place of business, I immediately let Board members know so we can take appropriate action. When I receive a personal email at my personal email account, sometimes I respond, sometimes I don't, sometimes I put it off. I'm only responsible to myself. Association business received unsolicited in my personal inbox concerns me because I am likely to treat it as personal business.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
I think it's best not to use a personal email address to receive official correspondence of any kind. My email address, for example, has a very heavy spam filter setting and unsolicited email will get sent to my junk mail box which I check only about one a week (if I remember it, and BTW, that reminds me). For example, my spam filter is set to receive email from every board member's usual (home) email address. Our president once sent me an email from his work. It got routed to my junk mail box and I didn't know about it until he called me and asked if I had received his message.

The problem with email addresses is that, depending on your spam filter characteristics, you may or may not get the mail in a timely manner.

I think official correspondence should always be sent to the board's official U.S. Postal mail address, or to the management company (our association prefers the latter). Besides, board members/officers may change from year-to-year, and the association's official address should remain the same.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Actually some email systems can send you notification of when the email hits the server or address for the person...I believe email is a valid way or written communication and can be a valid contract. If mail is a valid form of written communication so is email because email can be traced.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
So, after Mike's several clarifications, he's just looking for validation from us that it's okay for him to ignore/not answer email from residents that go to his personal email address.

Obviously, if it comes in to his personal email, he's not necessarily obligated to respond.

However, it would be a polite thing to notify the residents (through newsletter or postcard?) that the OFFICIAL contact address for the board members is: blah blah blah.

That way your personal email isn't even an issue.

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
I agree with Michele... Sending an email to a personal address is NOT the right way to officially notify an HOA. Mike should probably prepare a cut/paste paragraph to send back to emailers, reminding them that this is his personal email, and all official correspondance should be directed to XXXXXXXX

Take the email, train the people to not use it, etc.. hopefully they will get the idea.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By BradP on 05/02/2008 9:42 AM
Actually some email systems can send you notification of when the email hits the server or address for the person...I believe email is a valid way or written communication and can be a valid contract. If mail is a valid form of written communication so is email because email can be traced.

They are called delivery receipts and they are completely worthless. The only thing that they can tell you is that your email server sent it on to the next hop. It doesn't say anything about any of the intermediate servers or if the message was actually delivered to the final destination. I've worked with email systems for over 20 years (even written some code for a few) and I can tell you that there is no way that they should be considered reliable enough to be use for "official" communications.

For the OP: I'm sure the time will come when somebody will get upset with you for not responding to their email. But unless your HOA has declared somewhere that your email address is the official address for the Assn. and is willing to make the claim that messages will be delivered, then I don't see how you could be required to respond to any unsolicited message.
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Yes. I'm actually trying to minimize the chances of legal action being taken against either myself or the corporation. Currently, the Board responds in writing to written notice. If I am responsible to take action based on email received, then I will need some kind of plan. I get plenty of complaints about not responding, along with quoting portions of the law and claiming to file complaints with the State. I would have to defer anything regarding an official contact address to the Board. We do not have one now.
DwightT (Idaho)
Posts: 664
Posted:
If you get complaints about not responding to email, just tell them to send their complaint in writing to the HOA's legal address as registered with the state.

What portions of the law are they quoting?
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Well...the question was whether email is considered written notice...IMO yes. Others have said no and that the only reliable form is mail...just as in email there are no guarantees the mail will reach its final destination. Just as in email if addresses right they should reach their address, but, just as in email there are some letters that don't get there.

The only 100% effective means of communication is hand delivered to the person with a photograph as evidence.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Mike,

IMO, email is a form of notification and should be answered just as you would answer a letter. If you do not want to receive email at your personal email address then that info should not be made available to the members. I have contacted my prop. mgr. by email on numerous occasions. I've even made a/c requests through email. Her email address is given out to all the members of the assn which means this is an official way to communicate with her. BTW, she always answers immediately. I even sent an email on a Sat and, of course, didn't expect to hear from her until Mon, but lo and behold about 2 hrs later there was a response from her. If you are a board member or a prop. mgr. you should always answer any communications received from the members, whether it be a letter, a telegram or an email. What difference does the form of correspondence mean? The fact is that your were contacted and you should respond. As far as keeping records of email communications. Yes, the email should be kept just as you would keep written correspondence. If you answer a written communication or email with a telephone call, then a record of the telephone conversation should be attached to the written communication or email that was answered.
MikeB3 (New Jersey)
Posts: 28
Posted:
Excellent idea, Brad. I will advise my emailers to bring their written requests in person to the next Board meeting. There are plenty of witnesses so I don't think photos would be necessary. They can take up their business with the Board, rather than me, and we can attempt to satisfy them at the next meeting.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Even with postal mail, the only accepted form of giving "official notice" is by registered mail, return receipt requested. It is used for formal, legal processes (such as notification from an attorney), short of hand delivery by a sheriff or court officer.

Also, Dwight is correct; email receipts are meaningless. I have several years at this too, going back to the days of APRANET (that was BEFORE the internet, folks).

And don't forget the spam filters I mentioned in my earlier post.

Some state laws may permit email to be used, but read the laws carefully to see under what conditions it may be acceptable.
GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Mike the answer may be in your CC&R's. Our specifies: Section 14.12. Service of Notices on the Board of Trustees. Notices to be given to the Board of Trustees of the Association may be delivered to any two (2) members of the Board or to the President of the Association, either personally or by Certified Mail, with postage prepaid, addressed to such members or officer at his unit.

Also Ohio state law dictates: The person to receive service of process for the Association shall be designated by the Board. This designation maybe accomplished by filing with the Secretary of State an appropriate change of statutory agent designation.

There is probably something similar in your state's corporation laws so unless you have your e-mail address posted as the address for service, I wouldn't worry about it.

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