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JulieM2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Our HOA is about 18 years old and has been a bit disorganzed with respect to paperwork. No current board members had a complete copy of the Charter, By-laws, or Covenants & Restrictions, so I went to the Register of Deeds today and contacted the original attorney who handled its formation. I was able to put my hands on file-stamped copies of the Charter, By-laws, C&R plus 2 amendements to same; however we are not currently handling the dues collection as it is described in these filed documents. I'm waiting to hear back from a few phone calls to see if there are any documents floating around that might give the HOA the right to collect the dues we have been collecting over the past few years (we are billing for twice what is reflected in the docs in addition to demanding it annually in advance rather than monthly in advance). My question is this -- how necessary is it for the docs to filed and registered with county in order to be in compliance, or does it not matter as long we have correctly voted on the amendment? HELP! Thank you!
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Well, there is no guarantee that you have THE most current bylaws, i.e. the latest edition. But it's at least a start.

I have mentioned before that the Secretary is responsible for care of a binder that has all important papers in it: originals or at least copies

Articles of Incorporation
CCRs
Bylaws - most current
Standard Rules of Order
Policies and procedures
Annual Report to the State (copies)
IRS filings (copies of 1099)
Official list of members, with name, address, etc.
Minutes of the meetings (Board) for the last 3 years
Minutes of the annual Meeting of the Member for the last 3 years
Audited or audit-reviewed Financial reports issued to the Members (attached to minutes)including Balance Sheet.
List of the board of directors and their terms.
Copies of newsletters for the last 3 years.

This binder is then passed to the next Secretary for safekeeping.

MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Our dues/assessments increases do not need to be filed as an amendment.

So it may be possible that the assessments increased gradually over the years, well within the top amount allowed without an amendment, and you just don't have access to whatever minutes or records those were in.

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Julie,

Exactly what "docs" are you referring to when you say you found out you've been billing twice what the docs call for and also are billing annually instead of monthly. If the billing procedure and the amount of the assessment is outlined in the gov. docs. then this is what you must abide by. The board needs to rectify this situation immediately by either reducing the assessments and changing the billing period or amending the docs. to agree with the current billing procedure and assessment amount. In most instances amendments to the CCRs can only be done through a vote of the members. Some assn docs require the members to vote on a change to the bylaws; others only require a vote of the board members. Depending upon where the assessment requirements are contained will determine the method to amend if that is what the board needs to do.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Mary:

The association is 18 years old.

If they are allowed to increase the dues amount annually to a certain percent without getting approval, they could easily be almost twice as high as what's specified in the "docs," if they've increased multiple years.

Have no idea about the monthly vs. yearly thing, though. Seems like that would have required an amendment along the way somewhere.

JulieM2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 11
Posted:
I can't even begin to tell you what a mess ALL of the documents were/are in...I'm working that out. Interestingly, our C&R were created in 1987 and the by-laws followed in 1990 (although they were referenced in the original C&R)...is that normal? It appears that all the By-Laws do is "clarify conditions which shall control use and maintenance of Common Properties...". The C&R outline the basis and maximum of the assessments & also how to change it. It appears that the HOA members did appropriately vote in favor of the dues increase in 2003, to be effective Jan 1, 2004. However, no formal amendment was ever done to the C&R (one had been done and filed with the registrar on a previous increase). We have been collecting and members have been paying the increased dues. Does there have to be a formal amendment and or filing in order for the increase to be valid?

PS I can attach a copy of the C&R for grins if it would help.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Julie,

If the CCRs state a specific amount for the assessment then "yes" an amendment would be required to change that amount, i.e., the assessment shall be $200 per year. However, if the CCRs state the assessment can be raised by a certain %, or not to exceed a certain %, then an amendment is not required to increase. You may also want to check your HOA state laws, if any, to see if assessment increases are addressed. In AZ, state law places a cap of 20% for a yearly increase, unless the assn docs state a lower limit. This only applies to planned communities; there is no state law for condos.
JulieM2 (Tennessee)
Posts: 11
Posted:
Thanks, Mary - TN unfortunately doesn't have any laws governing HOAs. The C&Rs do state a specific amount for dues and they do not place a cap or anything on an increase - just requires a members vote. In the formality of the amendment, though, does it have to be filed with the registrar's office like the original C&Rs or just put in a file somewhere? Also, is there a problem with not having the done a formal amendment before now?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
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Posted By JulieM2 on 05/16/2008 3:50 PM
Thanks, Mary - TN unfortunately doesn't have any laws governing HOAs. The C&Rs do state a specific amount for dues and they do not place a cap or anything on an increase - just requires a members vote. In the formality of the amendment, though, does it have to be filed with the registrar's office like the original C&Rs or just put in a file somewhere? Also, is there a problem with not having the done a formal amendment before now?

Julie,

If the CCRs are amended, that amended should be recorded at the Co. Recorder's office just like the original CCRs were.

Legally speaking, I don't think the increased assessment is enforceable, but if none of the members has questioned it I certainly wouldn't draw attention to it. But, instead of seeking an amendment to raise the assessment to a specific amount, I would suggest an amendment to change the requirement to be a certain percentage, i.e., the assessments may not be increased more than ___% in any given year. This will eliminate the need to amend the CCRs each time the board feels the need to raise the assessments. In fact you may have less of a problem to get the required number of votes. Many people will be against an amendment to increase the assessments, but those same people may have no objection to the alternative.
BruceF1 (Connecticut)
Posts: 2,535
Posted:
Susan,

I like your list of documents to be kept. Pretty comprehensive.

But a binder? I'm not sure all of us can fit everything in a binder. Maybe a small filing cabinet? You should see the stack on my study floor waiting to be filed! I'm trying to make room in my filing cabinets now.

:-)
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Filing docs with the court is needed to be effective. If you think you don't have all amendments, etc you can check your title insurance policy which should show all recordings to the date of the policy. If the policy says "and amendments thereto" call the preparer and get the info.

Our docs allow for a 5% increase per year in assessments PLUS allowing an increase for our lawn service. Check your docs.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Bruce,

I can certainly identify with that! I have 2 3" thick binders and I'm not even a board member!!!! These are my bibles; I'd be lost w/o them. Oh, and that's not even counting all the files I have on the computer.

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