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TomS12 (Florida)
Posts: 19
Posted:
I've just been selected to a committee of 5 in a FL HOA to get competing MC bids for 2009 due to an outcry from a growing number of discontent community members. Our committee has held 3 meetings so far and as I get deeper into this and get to know "both sides" within the community, I'm beginning to see the politics within our committee.

For example: The chairman of OUR committee was appointed by a member of the BOD who also happens to be our committee's BOD liason. The president of the BODs step-father AND mother both WORK for the current MC (see where this is going?) and I just found out that one of our other committee members (I'll call him "Joe") is good friends with the BOD president and regularly plays cards with his stepfather! I find it impossible for him to remain impartial and unbiased under the circumstances.

So, I'm taking it upon myself to call and have private discussions with the other 2 committee members to see if they are "insiders" or not. I'm trying to determine if the establishment of our committee is just being done to placate the "outsiders" within the community with no real intention of seriously considering a MC change.

So, I am considering doing the following at our next meeting and welcome YOUR opinion/suggestions(s):

1. Suggest removal of Joe from the committee because of his close personal relationship with the BOD president and his stepfather/mother who works for the MC.
2. Ask each committee member (and the BOD liason) to explain, individually, WHY they believe the committee was set up in the first place.
3. Demand that NO communication of any kind take place between committee members and the BOD or MC without approval of the committee.
4. Ask that BOD liason only attend committee meetings per our request.
5. Ask that ALL ONGOING detailed findings, opinions, and recommendations of the committee re: prospective MCs NOT be disclosed to ANYONE outside the committee (including the BOD) until ALL results are compiled and sealed bids submitted.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Tom,
Lots of luck! Your requests are both against any Florida Statutes concerning committees and their powers and the fact that any committee works solely at the discression of the Board that appointed them. As a committee chairman, you follow the directions of the Board. You cannot have meetings between just a couple of chosen members. That is a no no.

I am sure that what you are dealing with is the truth but there is nothing that you can do to change how people work their exhistance within the community. So, welcome to the real world of HOA polictics. FYI, I Docs .am chair of our Docs committee and I sit on a Docs committee where I own a rental unit.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Tom:

You can ask all you want...however, since the BOD appoints and supervises committees they will take what they deem as a problem child and toss them out and move on without you. As a committee you have no power, just have the ability to recommend and do what the board asks you to do.

Instead of trying to find out who is a secret agent or a spy, why not put your energy and focus into something a little more creative. Maybe suggest the committee draft an RFP to solicit proposals for a new MC. The committee could get samples from other communities and draft it to what they and the board feels are necessary. Poll residents to see what their most pressing concerns are...

As was mentioned secret meetings are a no no, and you will be seen as a trouble maker. I am not trying to squash your committment, I just think there are better ways to accomplish what you want. One other thing that should happen, when the discussion for an MC change takes place the president should excuse himself since he obviously has a conflict of interest. That is the current boards job to do.
PatrickH (California)
Posts: 204
Posted:
Hi Tom,

I think you need to hold yourself above the fray. You're on a committee to locate potential new management companies, that's what you should do.

Do your research, meet with some companies, check out their refersnces. Then when you have your three or four best choices, ask a representative from each company to attend a special meeting of your Board and membership to make their sales pitch to the members. You don't want to do this at a regular meeting when your current property manager is there.

If the members are unhappy with the current management, you should get a good turnout. After the competitors are finished and excused, the Committee should then annouce to the Board and the members who their recommendation is and why. Then it's up to the Board to make the final choice. If they choose to stay with the same company as before, they will have to explain why or face the continued ire of the homeowners.

You just do the best you can for your HOA and let the chips fall where they may.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Tom,
I more or less agree with all the other responses and you are more or less right also in my opinion.

One thing that has had an effect for me is my condo life is to try to tell every owner I meet that this is one quiding primcipal in community living. If accepted and practiced it can start all on the same page.

Convince all that any action taken within the community must first past the requirement that every act must serve the community equally. If all do not benefit, it should not be considered in committees. You will find that there are times issues may be resolved that give the appearance of some sort of selective benefits. I believe these matters should be brought before the membership for justification. Any other expenditures or actions must first pass the "Community Benefit Demand"
TomS12 (Florida)
Posts: 19
Posted:
Donna,

First of all I want to thank you (and everyone) for your input/suggestions. I think you misunderstand however, that there are NO secret meetings or partial meetings taking place.

I also can't see where it's a problem discussing something with another committee member by phone outside of a meeting. If you're telling me that is part of Florida State HOA Statues, please provide me with the section etc. as I'd like to read that. Being a newcomer to this and an "outsider", I'm trying to be as practical and objective as possible in approaching prospective MCs.

I find it very difficult to see how people who are family members on both sides of the current "status quo", so to speak, as well as friends with BOD members can be completely objective in possibly changing it.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Tom:

I agree that the president should excuse himself when the bids are reviewed because of his obvious ties to the current MC, however, just because a committee member is friends with the president doesn't necessarily mean they can't be objective. In and of that they are only one person on a committe of 5.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Tom - only if committee members will benefit financially from any recommendations that your group comes up with, should you be concerned.

All other stuff is just relations.

Stick to the facts in any investigative matters in finding a new MC and you won't have any prpblems. Conduct "blind" bidding - where NO names are revealed, just the job bids' numbers are looked at.

Good luck.

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