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MaryH6 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I'm a member in a fairly new HOA community (a little over a year old). I want to create a sense of community in our building, and believe that communication is key. However, our Board and manager are not sharing information--our monthly Board-approved "newsletter" is little more than the names of committee chairs and a reminder to dispose of trash properly, the Board meeting minutes are woefully incomplete, and the information shared orally with members sometimes varies from one member to the next or from one week to the next. I've asked the Board to be more communicative, I've suggested things for the newsletter, another member and I even volunteered to write the newsletter each month, collecting the information needed to make it more interesting and effective. But, all of these have been declined.

Obviously we have a lot to work on, but the little part I feel like I can do is start my own newsletter. Are there any legal issues I should be aware of?

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Mary:

Why not volunteer to do the newsletter for the association. That way the it comes from the board. Starting your own newsletter seperate from the board can lead to issues if you are passing it off as the associations work.
MaryH6 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I would love to have it be the newsletter from the Board, and did volunteer to do the newsletter for the association, but the Board did not want anything but the minimal things from the manager. That's why I'm thinking through if I could just do my own personal newsletter.

I would clearly state it is "unofficial" and that I have no association with the HOA Board/Management. The newsletter would include upcoming events in the community, issues raised by homeowners at the Board meeting (since those are not even noted in the Board minutes)--though I would not relate Board "answers" or responses so that I do not inadvertantly misquote. It could include environmental tips from other homeowners, and maybe other resources for homeowners.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
MaryH6: You may want to do a search on this forum for other postings involving community newsletters. There have been many opinions posted on whether to be too wordy, too personal,to not enough info, not chatty and interesting enough...

I would agree with the other posters to NOT step out with your own newsletter. It presents the wrong message to the Board and the community and could set a wrong precedent for you in the future.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
You can also offer the Board a "column" of their own if they can get someone to either dictate to you what they are working on, how those projects are coming along, and what new projects of issues they are working on. That is the LEAST a Board should provide to its members.

Many people are hesitant to contribute to a newsletter because they just don't feel they write well enough. You can interview people over the phone, get their story, and if you are willing to write it up, this could all get done.

Good luck!
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
I think there is no problem whatsoever with a homeowner who is industrious enough, and has the time and inclination, to produce a newsletter for his or her neighbors. I feel the same way about websites, by the way, with this explicit caveat:

As long as it is clear in the masthead or elsewhere prominently placed that the newsletter is NOT officially associated with the formal neighborhood association, I say go for it.

I would not even be that queasy about posting board member comments, as long as you had the quotes accurate, backed up possibly by tape recordings, IF they allow taping at the meetings. But that's your call.

Otherwise, you are simply providing your own perspective to meetings, and that's certainly allowable under our system of government.

I do like the idea of offering them a "column" to which they can contribute as they see fit, but you are the editor, so go for it!

Good luck and keep us posted!
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
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Posted By MicheleD on 04/19/2008 5:35 PM
I think there is no problem whatsoever with a homeowner who is industrious enough, and has the time and inclination, to produce a newsletter for his or her neighbors. I feel the same way about websites, by the way, with this explicit caveat:

As long as it is clear in the masthead or elsewhere prominently placed that the newsletter is NOT officially associated with the formal neighborhood association, I say go for it.

I would not even be that queasy about posting board member comments, as long as you had the quotes accurate, backed up possibly by tape recordings, IF they allow taping at the meetings. But that's your call.

Otherwise, you are simply providing your own perspective to meetings, and that's certainly allowable under our system of government.

I do like the idea of offering them a "column" to which they can contribute as they see fit, but you are the editor, so go for it!

Good luck and keep us posted!

I think stepping out on your own gives the impression that you don't like what the board is doing, not happy, or just too good for them, etc...to me it creates a division in the neighborhood that can only lead to bad things. I think the only time it is appropriate for any homeowner to do their own newsletter is when they have a rogue board on their hands and need to band together to make change.

Even if you watch everything you write and do sooner or later something is going to happen or be written that is going to cause great division. I think your efforts are better off trying to convince the board that you are the right person to write a newsletter. Perhaps do a sample for them, let them know they have editorial power on it. Continue to beat that bush.

While you are certainly in your rights to do your own newsletter I think our goal as HOA members is to unite instead of divide.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Well, it would be nice if the board would work with her, but apparently they don't, or won't.

But that is no reason to stifle her communication efforts. That's one of the most fundamental of all rights, isn't it? First Amendment, free press and all. . .

If it makes the board look bad, then that is not her fault.

The board would be smart to welcome her efforts and "formally" designate her as the chairperson of the "newsletter" committee.

One doesn't have to be a board member to be on a committee.

And, that would give them a bit more "editorial" control, especially if they "fund" it in any way.

But again, if the board looks bad because they won't work with her, that is no reason for her to not go forward with her newsletter.

She might want to sit down and write up a formal mission statement so that her content has a clear, professional and unbiased editorial focus. That way she can check her content against her mission statement each issue to make sure she's not being "biased" against or for anything or anyone, and that she is staying true to her readers.

If the content is always informational in tone, not accusatory, and provides a clear benefit to its readers, then the reputation of your newsletter will stand on its own. If people don't like what you have to say, well, they'll just throw it away.

Heck, my daughter had a family newsletter when she was growing up. She also had one for the kids in our old neighborhood. It was both online and printed. They called them 'zines back then I think.

Would I want a resident in my neighborhood to take it upon herself to start up her own newsletter within the community?

That's a hard one to answer.

On the one hand, it might hit my ego a bit. After all, we, as the board, should have been organized and industrious enough to take that on.

But, in the end, these people living here aren't our "employees" nor are they our subjects. They are homeowners, just as are we. The only difference is we have volunteered our time and energy to take care of some of the day-to-day functions of the organization.

How can we then say we have the right to "deny" or "get mad at" another peer, resident, neighbor, who feels she wants to devote the time, energy and resources to create and publish a newsletter for the rest of us?

I couldn't imagine standing in her way. Unless she were libeling us in some way, it's not even our place to try!

Anyway, that's just my opinion.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Michele:

I never said she couldn't do it, I just offered some food for thought. Perhaps she can pull it off and make it work. But as you said egos will get in the way and more than likely the board will resent her for doing this on her own. I just think she needs to think about if that is a potential battle she is willing to endure.
SueW1 (Texas)
Posts: 26
Posted:

I believe you have the right idea in mind by wanting to use a newsletter to build a better relationship with the HO's. If you cannot convince the other members, I think even by going outside with your disclaimer, this will cause you problems.

We have a wonderful newsletter and the member who does it, enjoys it. What a great job, enjoying what you do. I feel the separation and alienation begins when the board either does not realize or forgets the position they hold is a community serving position.

As time goes by maybe you can find a way to appeal to the others.
MaryH6 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
I really appreciate all of the comments - it has given me a lot of food for thought. Thank you!

So far, our Board has been very resistent to building community - even saying explicitly (when they disbanded the committee I had been on which had hosted events to increase our sense of community) that their job as a Board and the HOA's purpose was solely fiduciary, and that while building community was nice, it was not their responsibility, and no HOA funds should be used to support it. They suggested we could continue to do events as individuals and invite the whole community, but they would not be HOA-supported activities. Unfortunately, their attitude towards communication is similar. They just vetoed a HOA website, which a number of members have been requesting for almost a year.

That said, my goal really is to build community - including, I would hope, with our Board members. So, I've been doing more research, prompted by all of your comments. I think I'm going to move forward with a multi-pronged approach:

1) making my newsletter, but making sure it is clear it is unofficial, and that it stays true to my goal of building community. I like the ideas of a clear mission statement, and inviting the Board to participate. Given their past comment about doing our own event, who knows, they may even see it as good.

2) I'd like the Board to start to see building community as a legitimate part of their job along with the fiduciary. The CAI online website had some great info on this. I'd like to put a quote and reference to it in my newsletter, and I've recommended it as a resource to one of our Board members (we only have the e-mail for one of them). Maybe I'll also print several copies of the introductory booklet to share with the Board and/or interested HOA members at the next meeting. I'm still thinking about that. I don't want it to seem like a "stab," I just think our Board members are resting on their corporate experience, and genuinely do not see anything but the financial as their responsibility.

3)I've seen a lot here and elsewhere about HOA websites as a means of communication, so I am also thinking of making a new proposal for an HOA website that will be used for information sharing at our next Board meeting. Based on the research I've done, there are a lot of potential strengths of an official HOA website (financial as well as in building community and governance). Our Management Company didn't want to do it, I think, because they said it would cost $500 just to set up, and then a significant monthly fee. What I'm seeing on-line is much less, and looks like it could do a lot in all areas of need. Maybe, if I can present it the right way, that is something the Board will be able to get behind.

THANK YOU again for all of your thoughts so far - it has really helped me think through my intentions and my methods. I hope if you have other thoughts about my next plan, you'll let me know.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Mary:

Sounds to me like you need new board members...while building community may not be in the fine print of their job descriptions, IMO it is a vital role. Things you described such as a newsletter and website are no brainers for any HOA. I am a huge fan of social events for the community, those aren't for everyone. Perhaps you should try running for a position and make some changes.
KimG (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Mary: Reading this thread raised my blood pressure a couple of points .

All of my participation in HOAs and Condo associations as a leader, volunteer, or just a member taught me that many leaders become jaded over time and look down on "the little people" in a community. This always leads to extremely poor or no communication.

Whether your board members like it or not, their fiduciary responsibility and their strict interpretation of the HOA mission does not relieve them of their ethical responsibility to communicate with their constituents! Incomplete information sharing can become a serious liability and they should take it more seriously.

I respect the comments of others above who caution you about the potential resentment you might inspire if you boot-strapped your own community newsletter but ... I think that is absurd! A civic minded individual who wants to help homeowners stay informed is a blessing. I say if they don't support it, just do it for a civics project!

You can start a manual email distribution list on your own via word-of-mouth. You can start a group listserv like YahooGroups at Yahoo.com. You can start blogging publicly at civic blogs like CommunityRadar.com or iNeighbors.com and encourage your neighbors who are equally interested in community affairs to join you. Just look at the benefit the members of HOATalk.com gain from helping one another!

By all means, communicate with your neighbors! They are lucky to have you and I say, "fooey" on the Board in the most polite terms!
KimG (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Mary: I just re-read your last post and had to add one more revolutionary comment (can you tell I'm the rebel officer in my Association? lol) ... the $$$ should never be an issue for an basic HOA site. There are low- to no-cost services out there. The issue will be volunteer power that is reliable, trusted, and empowered by the Board. A Board that doesn't want a useful newsletter isn't likely to want a web site that decreases their control on information. No to discourage you, just had to add this point. I wish you the best!
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Kim:

I agree that a board who is against communication probably has another agenda that isn't in the best interest of the association. Perhaps Mary should focus her energy on getting board members in place that are more open minded. My only issue with doing her own newsletter is you force the residents in the association to chose who to listen to, usually an individual person doing their own is probably going to be viewed as a trouble maker, even though she may not be.
KimG (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
BradP: I agree with you completely. I am submitting that being a trouble-maker is one way to improve things. Some of my best members are "trouble-makers." Again, not to disagree - simply offering a fiesty perspective. As you may detect, I err on the side of more information being an inherently good thing for members. Especially, if the alternative is inadequate information sharing. I know this is a personal bias.
KimG (Georgia)
Posts: 5
Posted:
... and I have to add a thought for readers of this thread - keep in mind that there are 2 levels I see Mary trying to operate: 1. As a member of an HOA, 2. As a member of a _community_ .... we can't confuse the reality that these are distinct realities, not one. My comments are targeted at her efforts on _community_, not HOA. I hope that helps temper my rebellious tendencies
SueW1 (Texas)
Posts: 26
Posted:
Mary, I don't know what you had in mind for a web site but it is really cheap to have one. I think there are a lot of HOA web sites built and maintained by the members. This is the way I would go. Before becoming involved I developed and maintained web sites. So many newbie's have a easy time now with the guided set ups with no formal training.

The registration is so minimal now and space is cheap too. You can have a domain and space is cheap too.

I do not let anyone know about my previous experience because I do not enjoy this type of work anymore. I am technologied out!!

Have you thought about a blog at blogger.com or a myspace. These places are free and you don't really need a domain name. You can store pictures for free on these website as well as photobucket.com. There would be no charge or expense to your HOA. Maybe they would support a web address since the expenses are zero to nothing going this route.

If the other members support this idea, can have an online newsletter.
SueW1 (Texas)
Posts: 26
Posted:
whoops I missed your web site post paragraph. Good sites I forgot about communityradar but never heard of neigborhood until now.

They both look like good sources.
CharlieP2 (Utah)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Mary,

I would suggest using Community Associations Institute as a strong educational source.

Charlie Peterson
[email protected]
801 521 2421
MaryH6 (California)
Posts: 7
Posted:
Wow! These are great resources on the web site potential. I'll look into them.
I stumbled upon CAI and they look great. They have given me the permission I requested to use an excerpt from one of their publications in my newsletter--some of their comments about building community. I will definitely keep exploring their information and trying to share it with our Board members.

Thank you, and thanks for the encouragement as well as the issues to think about! HOA Talk is doing a great service with this discussion board. I'll be sure to let you know what the response is.

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