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DanielJ (Georgia)
Posts: 31
Posted:
We need your help. Our HOA is in GA and our enforcement covenant says "enforcement shall be by proceedings of law or in equity against any person(s)violating or attempting to violate any covenant either to restrain violation or to recover damages or both as may be applicable depending on the nature of the violation."

Question: If our HOA pays to have an owner's overgrown yard cut, does our enforcement covenant permit us to bill the owner for same? Wouldn't this action be "recovering damages"? Our covenants mandate that grass be maintained and our rules permit the HOA to have overgrown yards cut. Many thanks.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Daniel,
I believe that you can recover the cost per the "recovering damages" clause that you posted from your Docs.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Daniel:

Yes...however, I would be very careful about entering another person's property without a court order. Too many bad things can happen.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Daniel,
I certainly hope that your Documents continue on with the ability of the Association to cut or maintain a property with wording such as "the association shall have the right to enter a property in violation for the purpose of mowing, trimming or whever maintenance deemed nescessary" or something like that to cover your butts. A court order seems extreme and good docs will have an allowence for entry. Here again, an owner signs acceptance of these Docs when they purchase a unit within the developement and is required to abide by them.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
danielJ: I would ask if the Assn. attempted 'due process' meaning, did the Assn. cover all bases before taking this action by communication with the owner in question? Did you advise them of their responsibility in writing and if not assumed, the action you would take?

If this owner takes you to court, don't know if this clause would cover IF you did not inform the owner prior.

MaryN (Virginia)
Posts: 125
Posted:
We are located in VA. About 2 years ago we had a property owner who had no agreed to the HOA mowing his land. Our HOA does offer that service to the owners of empty lots. The HOA entered the property and mowed. The lot owner was furious. He threatened to sue because he was not given notice that the lot was going to be mowed. The HOA paid the bill. No where in our docs does the HOA have permission to mow individual lots..just the common areas.
MaryN
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Our local municipality has a weed ordinance. If you don't take care of your lot, they will come and take care of it and bill you. Non paid bills get attached to the homewoner's taxes.

I wonder if that applies to condos, too.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

I don't think that any city or municipality will go onto an property within a property to mow or take care of a property. They might send a letter but will not go into the assoc. property.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Daniel,

Seems like i just responded to a like question on another thread!

If your CCRs state the board has the right to enter a members property to maintain the landscaping if the member refuses to do it, then ,yes you can do that. However, the board should first send the member a letter advising him to take care of the landscaping or the assn will do it and he will be liable for the cost. Specify a time period for him to do this. Also he should be notified of the right to meet with the board to discuss the violation. If he pays no attention to the boards notice then they have the right to enter his property to perform the maintenance. However it might be wise to let the member know when he can expect the landscapers to arrive.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:
DanielJ,

I too reside in Georgia. Unfortunately, I don’t know the state statues as well as I should, although I’m learning. I’ve been involved with association living ever since my wife and I moved here (2003). I’ve been a board member the last two years in an attempt to provide that “picture perfect” neighborhood to raise our family in. Our community is coming around (its taken a long time) its better than it once was, IMO. Although, it still isn’t what either my wife or I imagined our first home to be.

Covenants are one thing, enforcing them is a whole other story! The state will only do so much. I call the authorities concerning various violation (generally state ordinances) when the violation is NON-HOA related. The request goes in, but NOTHING is done immediately, but eventually.

Our community has several lots (single family homes) that are severely overgrown and are in need of lawn care. Even though our governing documents permit the board to enter the lot (attached) with proper notice, we personally won’t put the association in legal jeopardy. We have and continue to hire a third party service and bill the HO the accrued charges. The services hired are always licensed, insured and bonded, which will cover the association “IF” the lot owner decides to sue the association. We have NEVER been confronted with such, but would prefer to NOT take our chances.

I see that your documents allow you to fine the lot owner?! I would continue to fine them for every violation observed, because in the great state of Georgia, an association may file a lien, once the expense is greater than $300.00. It seems that HO takes action when they receive a letter from our attorney putting their house in jeopardy. Although, all of which takes money and time, either of which we have an over abundance of. As the ole saying goes “it takes money to make money”!

Unfortunately, these expenses are the association’s burden until the HO sells or decides to pay. We rarely see the money. In many cases, these habitual violators just won’t pay, meanwhile their account (drawing interest) and eventually exceeds the $300.00 amount, thus permitting the board to take legal action. We have filed suit, received judgments, we have even garnished wages. ONLY then does the money start coming in.

Sorry for the long post. I’m going to review your web-site, to familiar myself with your community. If I can be of an additional help feel free to email me personally.

Best of luck.

Chuck W.
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BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
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Posted By DanielJ on 04/16/2008 6:40 PM
We need your help. Our HOA is in GA and our enforcement covenant says "enforcement shall be by proceedings of law or in equity against any person(s)violating or attempting to violate any covenant either to restrain violation or to recover damages or both as may be applicable depending on the nature of the violation."

Question: If our HOA pays to have an owner's overgrown yard cut, does our enforcement covenant permit us to bill the owner for same? Wouldn't this action be "recovering damages"? Our covenants mandate that grass be maintained and our rules permit the HOA to have overgrown yards cut. Many thanks.

I am going to head off in a different tac, and say that no, you cannot "recover damages" for mowing or weeding someone's overgrown lawn. What damage occured? How was the HOA harmed? (spending money is not necessarily "damage").

However, I would say the previous words in your covenant DO give you legal reason to recover your money spent to maintain the yard to HOA standards. Mowing an overgrown lawn would, in my opinion, be recoverable as part of "restrain(ing) violation".

Basically, no harm was done (thus, no damage), but the HOA did incurr a cost to restrain the violation and keep it in order.

GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
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Posted By BrianB on 06/10/2008 7:11 AM
Posted By DanielJ on 04/16/2008 6:40 PM
We need your help. Our HOA is in GA and our enforcement covenant says "enforcement shall be by proceedings of law or in equity against any person(s)violating or attempting to violate any covenant either to restrain violation or to recover damages or both as may be applicable depending on the nature of the violation."

Question: If our HOA pays to have an owner's overgrown yard cut, does our enforcement covenant permit us to bill the owner for same? Wouldn't this action be "recovering damages"? Our covenants mandate that grass be maintained and our rules permit the HOA to have overgrown yards cut. Many thanks.


I am going to head off in a different tac, and say that no, you cannot "recover damages" for mowing or weeding someone's overgrown lawn. What damage occured? How was the HOA harmed? (spending money is not necessarily "damage").

Brian:

I hate to disagree once again with you, "but spending money" is a loss and therefore a damage in the court of law.

If you had paid out of your pocket someone elses; let's say water bill and all along you were told that meter belonged to you. One day you found out it was really your neighbor's water bill. You would seek the damages (money you spent paying for his water). Of course this is an example in a simple way, courts do look upon money as damages.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
thanks Gloria.. i will take your word on that court interpretation. I guess if the HOA has "lost" time or money, that's eligible to be "damage".

Either way, recoverable, but I learned something new today.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
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