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CathyT1 (Washington)
Posts: 68
Posted:
Our annual dues for our HOA were due in Jan, 2008 of $500.00. We still have around 9 homeowners that have not yet paid. Our HOA recently changed banks, which now offers payment by credit and/or debit card.

One homeowner is asking for monthly payments because he cannot afford the $500.00 in one lump sum. Our CC&R's strictly say that our dues shall be paid on the 1st and if not paid w/i 30 days thereafter then interest accrue; however, special assessments cay be paid monthly. We just sent out a 15-day Notice to the delinquent homeowners that if payment is not made, then the HOA then can proceed with liens, etc.

My Question: Do we allow monthly payments? If we did allow this homeowner to pay monthly - do we charge interest on it? Do we still add penalty fees?

Do we say 'no' and have the homeowner pay via credit/debit card?

We've never experienced this before.

Thanks :-)
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Good question, Cathy.

You have several options, as you noted, but I would in no way ever allow a monthly payment plan that extended past the due date to NOT include any late payments required by the CC&Rs. And, to be honest, the ONLY *monthly payment* plan I would let the HOA allow would be one that was a PRE-PAYING monthly payment plan.

I think I might propose that you require him to pay by Credit Card to catch up for this year, and that he can start making "monthly payments" for NEXT YEAR'S Assessment amount NOW, to be set up in such a way as to be "paid in full" by his last payment on the regular annual due date.

That way, next year he can do the same thing: make monthly payments to pre-pay so that his LAST payment of the year falls on the Annual Due Date.

In other words, if your fiscal year begins in May, you would need $500 in full now, (he can get the "loan" for it from his credit card) to cover 2008 assessments, due on May 1, 2008. Then in June of this year, he can start making "monthly payments" to pre-pay for the May 1, 2009, due date. That way he won't have to pay the $500 all at once and he is "up to date" in May of each year!

That's the only fair way to proceed for the other homeowners. That way you are not in "arrears" on the annual revenue and he is always "up to date" and therefore not having the "burden" of paying all at once.

You are not a loan company, you are an HOA that has an annual budget that relies on his and everyone's $500 annual assessment to be in your bank at the beginning of your fiscal year.

If you "allow" him to make monthly payments for the year AFTER the annual due date has arrived, you are, in effect, "loaning" him the $500 for him to do with as he pleases throughout the year, without any payment to you for the benefit to him of the $500 loan.

Plus, once you do that for him, suppose 5 or 10 or 100 people want the same interest-free post-dating of their $500 annual fee?

You will forever be in "arrears" for your budget.

I see a nightmare looming.

SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Well, this is going to be a more common request (terms for late payment) so your Board needs to get a policy ASAP! We set our $750 assessment up as payment option for 1, 2 or 3 payments within a 6 month periods.(with a discount if paid totally, before due date.)

With the economy the way it is, many people are putting off assessments, because they really don't get consequences for not paying.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:
Cathy,

It is really scarey that this one homeowner is asking for some help and the association does not sound like it is helping. Soon it might be 3 or 10 so something must be addressed.
Number one I suggest is to amend the 1 annual payment per your Documents. Break it up into quarterly payments.

Yor alternative might be worse if some of the owners just stop payments completely and then you have to deal with leins and fines and penalties. In the mean time, the Board must adopt an emergency meeting to see if they can accomodate this guy if he genuienly has had communication with Board, trying to get a resolution to his dilemia.
CathyT1 (Washington)
Posts: 68
Posted:
This is our 2nd year as a community and our reserves are depleted (previous Board) and we were almost to the point of not being able to pay the HOA's creditors. We have worked with another homeowner for monthly payments, however, IMO the homeowner took advantage of the HOA and still did not pay. Sometimes, it's not that the homeowner doesn't have the money (some of these delinquent homeowners have put in new fences, are buying new furniture & elaborate toys, & taking vacations). They have found a way to pay for those, correct?

I completely understand today's economy. We have seen foreclosures all around us, not to mention in our own community. To help homeowners, we have changed banks to allow for credit/debit card payments. However, in our CC&R's, this is not listed. My question relates to how others have handled this type of situation? For this year, this is the only homeowner that has come to us for help - and, I am wanting to find a way to help this homeowner - through the advice of this forum.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Cathy:

I tend to look on the brighter side of things...this person wants to make payments to the HOA, to me that is a positive. Instead of throwing late payments, interest, etc. at this person I would be happy they want to pay.

On the other end of the spectrum, if you allow this person to do it, then you would have to allow others. In the end only your HOA can answer what is right for you. I would suggest working with this homeowner to collect your dues any way you can, but also work with him to prevent this from becoming an ongoing issue. Perhaps with his monthly payment of $42 or whatever, he kicks in an extra $10-$15 to help offset the shock of next years payment?

I think your goal should be to collect the money, help the homeowner, but establish ground rules for the future so he can financially plan to achieve it.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
I agree. You have a member who bothered to contact you about his payment. If he doesn't have the $500, telling him sorry, that's the way it is, is not going to motivate him. So you get nothing.
Actually, I think $500 would be a hardship for many people to come up with at one time. Are all of your HOA expenses due at one time?
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Cathy,

You mentioned this is only your 2nd year, so perhaps the gov. docs. have not been thoroughly researched and ingrained in all the board member's minds. Sometimes it takes awhile to thoroughly understand some of these docs that are full of lawyerese. My docs state the board has the option of deciding how the assessments shall be paid, i.e., monthly, quarterly or yearly. Perhaps yours has this same clause. Monthly or quarterly is a lot easier on many people. On the other hand if someone wants to prepay the assn isn't going to say "no"! But if it isn't an option to change when the payment is due, I do think it wise to work with an individual who has expressed a hardship and is willing to negotiate a payment plan. Afterall, if you were getting ready to foreclose and the member wanted to enter into a payment plan you wouldn't deny that, would you? Well, in this case the member is trying to prevent that from happening.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
FYI, going from annual to monthly payments, required (not voluntary) is a great way to increase revenue.

Annual, you have one shot at a late fee (payments not made by the 15th of the month will be assessed a late fee). If i am one day late, or 12 months late, I pay one late fee. Monthly, you can have 12 late fees possible, one for each month they don't pay!

So be careful how you word the change to your rules, should you make one.

KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
We had a similar request from someone who was not in arrears, but wanted to make their upcoming quarterly payment in installments. We told them that they could make monthly payments, but also stated:

"If you are asking to pay assessments in arrears, the C & Rs do not allow this. All late payments are subject to the provisions found in the C & Rs, up to and including late charges, lien and foreclosure. I would also make you aware that all payments received are first applied to the balance of the overdue assessment, late charges and fees before being applied to a current assessment payment."

I agree with working with those who need help, maybe defer an automatic lien- a grey area in our docs now. As has been said, we aren't a bank and delinquent assessment late charges and interest is one area that our docs are very clear about.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
I would agree the HOA isn't a bank...but I would think a lot about how throwing late fees and interest at someone who is willing to make payments is going to affect their outlook and cooperative nature..
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
Brad-
I agree with you, as well, if this is a temporary situation. But, I would be willing to bet that every one of the folks at my place behind in their assessments are still watching cable.

So what do you think about changing the C & Rs or make a rule for cases like this? Maybe with the current state of affairs in the housing industry this is a good time for all of us to consider putting a provision in our documents. Does anyone have any model language that has proven effective? And would you request a credit report? Proof of income? And how do you fashion it so that it isn't another time drain on a volunteer board of directors that is already putting many hours into the work of the association? We can't get folks to run here as it is.

How are others handling this?

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Karen:

In my time we had a couple of situations where people were behind but wanted to pay. In each instance we worked with the homeowner to develop a plan to catch them up over the next year. We put it in writing and we signed it, there was a provision in there that if they were past due on any scheduled payments that the entire balance would be immediately due along with all waived interest and late fees.

I don't know if our way was the right way, but we did it with a few people and it helped, they were appreciative and we got out money.
CathyT1 (Washington)
Posts: 68
Posted:
It is a very sticky situation with so many scenarios. I hope to read more on this subject and how others have handled this in the past. Thanks for all the great input!
EllenS1 (Florida)
Posts: 1,148
Posted:
Personally I don't think an exception should be made. If one person is allowed the word will spread and the HOA may find itself in a financial bind. If you stick to your guns I'm sure the assessment will be forthcoming. As to paying monthly..this may be a good idea for future assessments PROVIDED the payments are made in advance so they are fully paid when due. This may be helpful to all owners.
GloriaM (North Carolina)
Posts: 829
Posted:
Cathy:

As in all cases they have to be dealt with on a case by case. You have an Owner who has communicated a need to pay monthly the HOA should try to collect what they can; if not monthly ask him if qtrly., would help him at $125.00.

If this account went to collections a payment plan would be set up anyway. You need to know your state's collection laws and make sure you follow that. I say work with the homeowner, he seems intent on paying, there is nothing wrong with making a reasonable payment plan.
CharlesW1 (Georgia)
Posts: 826
Posted:

CathyT1,

I realize I may catch a lot of flack for agreeing/disagreeing with many of the previously written posts. I do however, agree that word will spread like wild fire throughout your association! THAT’S FOR SURE. Although, this isn’t typical practice of the Board of Directors or at least it shouldn’t be.

I would inform him that the assessments MUST be PIF to avoid interests and a late fee, PERIOD. Explain to him, you have made this more convenient for all, providing the option to pay by credit card or/and debit card for their convenience, in order to avoid a lien, late fee, interest and possible foreclosure.

The NEXT year (he knows the assessments will undoubtedly be due again) most likely the same “IF” not more, rarely ever less (due to inflation and other association living expenses). A payment plan would certainly be my suggested and should be implemented immediately.

Bottom line, you don’t want this to belong the “norm”

Perhaps ask him what he can pay up front, in the form of cash or check. Then suggest to him about putting the remaining balance on a credit card/debit card. Purpose that interest and late fees would be waive if the assessments were to be paid in full. Otherwise assessments including late fee’s and interest will be assessed.

Remind him that he has been aware of the annual assessments, 12 months in advance and payment is DUE immediately or be subjected to legal ramification that the association WILL pursue, and he will be responsible any fees that will accrue.

You want to do what is best for the association. Receiving payment would certainly be better than filing a lien (community expense), filing suit (community expense), etc, etc.

Keep in mind "some money is better than NO money"

Best of luck.
Keep us posted

Chuck W.

Charles E. Wafer Jr.
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Charles and Ellen:

I disagree with your statements, and I highly doubt word will spread like wildfire. What is the person going to say..."I am having financial trouble and the HOA let me make payments". Money troubles embarrass people, they don't want to talk about them. Perhaps some people will find out, but it won't be the spread of the plague.

As I stated before I am of the mindset that if someone is willing to pay, take it and work out the details with them. In this time of our economy money is getting tight. Some people are having to chose what bills to pay. If I go to your HOA board and say I can pay $50 a month, but I can't drop $500 right now and you refuse what will happen. Nothing will get paid...if this homeowner is in enough financial difficulty that this is an issue, foreclosure may not be too far down the road. I always say treat people in an HOA how you want to be treated, within reason. We are all just one accident or illness away from being in financial difficulties.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Brad, you would be oh, so wrong. The homeowners do, in fact, talk to each other. Good, bad or indifferent, they trade "war stories" all the time.

They won't be sharing their "financial sob stories," or the embarrassment of tight financial woes, but what they WILL be saying is, "Hey, guess what, all you have to do is tell them you're in a bind, or that your husband has a brain tumor, (insert other "fake" story here), and they'll let you pay by the month or heck, just whenever you feel like it if you stick your bottom lip out and pout strong enough!"

It's human nature to brag, sometimes even when it's about something that might in fact BE embarrassing to you or me!

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
I agree with Michelle -- people like to brag, especially about beating the system. However, I certainly do agree with Brad's philosophy. I'd much rather the board be willing to embark on a payment plan than demand all the money up front. Anyone trying to take advantage of this will soon be caught and the board can act accordingly with them. I just think its in the best interests of the assn for the board to be known as a group of individuals who have compassion for those of us who may be in dire straights, rather than to be know as just a bunch of hard-noses!
BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Michele:

Since I am not one of the gossips in our neighborhood I can only go off of my experiences. Most people I know do not discuss their financial situations, I never do. No one, not even my parents knows our situation. You talk as is letting them pay monthly is letting them off the hook, it isn't they still have to pay the money.
MicheleD (Kentucky)
Posts: 4,491
Posted:
Brad, some of the biggest gossips are "good old boys" who love to brag about all the cool things they pulled over on someone.

They don't see it as revealing their finances. They see it as another notch on their reputations on getting one over on somebody, especially getting one over on the HOA.

The "guess what I got away with" factor is alive and well and most people don't really care as much about what other people think about them. The interesting thing about the delinquencies in our HOA is that the majority of them are from people who regularly violate various CC&Rs.

On one or two rare occasions we've let a resident "break up" payments over 2 or 3 months.

But never, ever would we consider allowing "monthly payments." In addition, we tell them that if they miss one agreed-upon due date, then we add the penalties and file the lien.

Keep in mind, our assessments are only $150 a year. Not a burden to one family, but very critical to our budget and something we need at the beginning of the year, not at the middle or the end of the year. Our "write off" wiggle room is not as deep or broad as say, Citibank's.

Heck, while even our local utility company will work with people on SOME level, they are still pretty rigid about it. I can't imagine going to LG&E and saying, "Hey we're a little tight this month, how about we pay this month's bill over the next 12 months?" Sure people do it, especially in peak usage months like winter, but they have to meet all sorts of strict criteria and go through ridiculous red-tape hoops.

So IF they come to us first (and early) then we will give a small "grace period" with very explicit parameters, AND they have to sign an agreement with the "grace period" terms, which if they don't meet, we proceed with the penalties and lien.

So, if we EVER went to "monthly payments" allowed, they would have to be paid in full for the CURRENT year and the monthly payments would be structured in such a way as to be PAID IN FULL by the due date of the year for which they apply. They would need to be paid up in advance of the year we need the funds, JUST LIKE EVERY ONE ELSE.

That's the only way I could ever imagine switching to such a format for assessment payments. If they are already a "due date" behind, then we are going to have problems with OUR budget and bills, too.

BradP (Kansas)
Posts: 2,640
Posted:
Michele:

Sounds to me like your HOA needs to build up a little bit of a reserve. We don't any common property to maintain other than grass and sprinkler systems but we have enough cash in reserve to operate a whole year without anyone paying dues. So we have some wiggle room to serve our customers.

IF Joe Fox came off the street bragging about how he got to make monthly payments and how he pulled a fast one on the HOA, my response would be you are still paying the same amount I am, good for you!

If you go back to some of my original posts you would see I don't advocate doing this forever, i advocate giving them a year or so to make up ground, but if you are doing this for them there needs to be a plan in place to catch up eventually. I agree the HOA is not a lending institution, but also your HOA should be able to survive a few people not making timely payments, if not you need to reevaluate some things.

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