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FelineP (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
I live in California and belong to an HOA of 100 condominiums. There are two sections to our complex, A untis and B untis. The accounts are kept seperate so we have A reserves and B reserves. Over the past 5 years we have been paying a second maintenance man to do dryrot repair/replacement. He was given this job because he was "a friend" of 3 of the board members. We complained that he wasn't doing his job and in fact he and the other maintenance man were just sitting in the clubhouse every day drinking beer. Since they weren't doing their job, they hired a crew of labor guys to come and do the repairs. They were directed by the maintenance men to caulk and paint over all the dryrot. Our complaints fell on deaf ears for weeks. Finally, several members of the board stepped down and one maintenance man was let go. The problem is that all the money that was spent, was spent for nothing. ALL the work has to be redone as the dryrot included "extensive structural damage" All of it covered up. Many homeowners feel that this was gross negligence by several of the previous board as they would not listen to our complaints due to their personal relationships with the employees. Now they want to emergency assess us 4000.00 each now and then possibley another 20,000 to 40,000 later. One big problem with this is that the drunken maintenance men were allowed to do all the coding on the accounts for this dryrot repair and painting and they didn't code things properly which caused B reserves to pay for A unit repairs etc. It is the B units being assessed at this time. We want an audit before the assessment because of the improper coding but the board is saying "no". We were given a 26 day notice to pay the 4000 dollars by May 1, 2008. Is there anyway to stop this assessment until we can have an audit of the two reserve accounts. B reserves had to borrow funds from the A reserves to pay for the redo of the work and we know that the B reserves doesn't owe the amount the A reserves says because B paid for part of A repairs. It's so confusing but any advice is greatly appreciated.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i doubt you can halt the assessment, but maybe others will give you advice on that.

One course of action is to sue the contractor that was hired originally, and get the money back from him. that's an action the board must take, of course.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
There seems to be a lot of missing info here.
What do you hope to find by having an audit of the Reserve Funds?
When was you latest Annual Meeting? This assessment had to have been approved by the membership, so when did that happen?

GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By SusanW1 on 04/06/2008 12:10 PM
There seems to be a lot of missing info here.
What do you hope to find by having an audit of the Reserve Funds?
When was you latest Annual Meeting? This assessment had to have been approved by the membership, so when did that happen?


Susan if you re-read her post she has two buildings A&B with separate accounts and she feels that money was improperly paid from one account for work in the other building and now she is being Emergency Assessed because of it. The way I read it in California the BOD can Special Assess up to 5% of the gross budget without an H/O vote or unlimited amounts for an Emergency Assessment which is what she is evidently facing.

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GlenL (Ohio)
Posts: 5,491
Posted:
Feline you need to consult an attorney for a definitive answer your questions. IMO if things are the way you state and you can prove it, you may have a cause for civil action against the BOD members personally. Remember unless anyone posting claims to be an attorney (I'm not) all the advice in the world here is just armchair quarterbacking and probably would not hold up in a court of law. (Like when they foreclose on you for following advice you read in a forum however well intentioned.)

That said I would recommend you go to http://www.davis-stirling.com/index.html which appears to be a great resource of information on the applicable laws in California. Under Topics check out Special Assessments & Emergency Special Assessments, where you will find what is allowed and the notice time required. (Minimum of 30 days and maximum of 60)

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GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
FelineP - You stated several members of the board stepped down, one maintenance man let go. First, what precipitated their departure, ex. was their an election, a recall? How many board member seats in total are there? First thing both A and B units need are at least 3 independent contractors to assess the damage and dry-rot. Then you need to get multiple bids on the project. What is your annual budget? Does $40,000 to $80,000 exceed it? Remember GlenL wisely sighted the 5% of annual budget from Davis Sterling. www.davis-sterling.com Click Davis Sterling in the upper left side, then click on Index of Laws, and go to Article 4 Reg-Special Assessment. It states:

(b) Notwithstanding more restrictive limitations placed on the board by the governing documents, the board of directors may not impose a regular assessment that is more than 20 percent greater than the regular assessment for the association's preceding fiscal year or impose special assessments which in the aggregate exceed 5 percent of the budgeted gross expenses of the association for that fiscal year without the approval of owners, constituting a quorum, casting a majority of the votes at a meeting or election of the association conducted in accordance with Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 7510) of Part 3 of Division 2 of Title 1 of the Corporations Code and Section 7613 of the Corporations Code. For the purposes of this section, quorum means more than 50 percent of the owners of an association. This section does not limit assessment increases necessary for emergency situations. For purposes of this section, an emergency situation is any one of the following:

Any amount from $40,000 through $80,000 that is more than 5% will need owners to vote in favor. However the work needs to be done so I would keep up the pressure of checks and balances on the Board until the work is done. If the budgets of A & B can't be commingled than A must pay for A, B must pay for B. However, coordinating the work to be done at the same time, and in phases may keep the costs down. It's called collective bargaining and in everyone's best interest the community is in tip top shape to be competitive with the marketplace. There's no separating that the value of the community is at stake.

FelineP (California)
Posts: 3
Posted:
Thanks everyone for at least being sympathetic LOL. I am hoping to talk to an attorney this week as May 1st is when this "emergency assessment" is due. I have learned a great lesson about HOA's and that is, I will NEVER buy a home in one again. I find the biggest problem is not having an entity to turn to when laws are broken by the board. Oh sure, we can sue but there is no governing authority to hold board members accountable for their wrong doings. HOA's (or a group of 7 Billybob's) literally have control over your money and can spend it as they see fit without having any formal training as to how to manage money. You guys are a great help in that at the very least, you provide an understanding shoulder to cry on. Thank you so much, I am very grateful.
CharlieP2 (Utah)
Posts: 15
Posted:
Feline - do you have D&O insurance in place with your HOA insurance policy?

If not, this is protection that you need in place.

Email me to discuss : [email protected]

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