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KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
Gotta love those developers.... the Association is required to "maintain the lawns and landscaping for each lot.."

Is there a commonly understood definition of the word "landscaping"? And "lawns"? We are trying to establish clear expectations of lawn service for our homeowners and lawn care company.

Basically, ya got your grass, trees, shrubs and flowers, right? Our development is 20 years old. Since that time, some of the property owners have put in mini Biltmore gardens. I'm thinking that we should take care of grass, shrubs and trees. And let the homeowners (townhomes) tend to their own flower beds and vines.

If it turns out that "landscaping" and "lawns" means every living thing growing on each lot, then has anyone had experience with a tiered landscaping assessment to allow for a higher fee for the high-maintenance yards?

All ideas/input is invited!
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
KarenS11 - Typically an association's maintenance responsibilities are for things described in the governing documents, but more importantly for elements provided to owners at conveyance. Meaning original application by the Developer. NOT items, or upgrades by the owners after they purchased. Don't even take on the task of maintaining everyone's upgraded landscapes. Not only is that an unreasonable expectation but it may even present liability problems to the detriment of the association members. What the Board needs to do is find the original landscape plans submitted by the Developer to your borough. Your Board or Association Property Manager may also have a copy on file. Look to that and the exhibits of the land being described in your governing documents. This will require some research. A definition of "landscape" will have to be determined and it should be based upon what the condition of the landscape that was purchased by each lot owner. However, I'd venture an educated guess it is the original lawns, original planting beds, original trees, original shrubs, original flowers.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
another tactic is to chat with each owner, and ask them what they want: If they want the HOA to maintain the landscaping, then you come in, rip everything out, and put in low maintenance items.

if they don't want their plantings ripped out by the roots, have them agree to maintain them on their own. Basically, if THEY planted it, THEY maintain it. Otherwise, HOA plants what it wants, and maintains it.

DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
Just one definition which includes inert objects as well as living plants., (I would agree that the intent was to maintain 'at conveyance' not the improvements made since and if anyone expects that then you will have to deal with whether they got ARC approval in which case ot could be viewed that the HOA essentially consented to maintain the additions they approved...then you will have to determine whether the HOA can equally remove the improvements if the owners don't want to pay to maintain them)

http://www.cedarcity.org/pdfs/ordinances/ord26-vii.pdf

SECTION 26-69. Landscaping Defined.
Landscaping shall mean some combination of planted trees, shrubs, vines, ground cover,
flowers or lawns. Landscaping may also include xeriscaping, as approved by the City. In addition
the combination or design may include rock and such structural features as fountains, pools, art
works, screens, walls, fences, or benches, but such objects alone shall not meet the requirements
of the Ordinance. The selected combination of objects for landscaping purposes shall be arranged
in a harmonious manner.
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
Thank you for the replies. I think I'll suggest that we will look for the original landscape plan. Then meet with each owner and let them know what will be taken care of. That makes it so much easier.

Some owners have offered to pay our lawn service to do additional work. We said it would be ok, but NOT on the same day that they do association work. The owner of the company routinely blows us off and does the work on the day his guys are out, which leads to some thinking that others are getting special treatment. Have any of you dealt with this?

(And, yes, we are about to fire our lawn service if he doesn't get his crew to shape up.)
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Karen,
Most likely, your governing documents should spell out what os owner responsibility and what is association responsibility for landscape care.
If you have the original landscape plan, then you will be very lucky. It may not be true to the original plan as the landscapers hired by the Developer sometimes put less than what the design called for.

But the biggest chink in the plan is that owners all along seem to just plant at their own will, without considering that there will now be more trees and bushes that the budget has not planned for their care. So your Board needs to seperate owner landscape from association landscape. The original pan and the documents will hopefully be the defining determination of who's is what.
JackieB (California)
Posts: 198
Posted:
When an application is submitted for redoing the landscape in our front yards,
we make sure in writing that the owner is aware it is at his/her expense and upkeep. Lawns will be mowed and edged but fertilizer, pruning, replanting is done by homeowner on their own plants. Some don't even want their lawns mowed
due to seeds (weeds) from the other lawns. Then we ask that they put a red cone on their lawn and landscapers know to leave that lawn alone.
Jackie
CA
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
Lots of good ideas and input. I was at the landscaping committee meeting last night- the board has been serving in that capacity because NO ONE wants to get involved due to bad experiences in the past. This meeting had two board members there- me and another board member who kept saying "Well, what the docs say and what we have been doing are two different things. If we change now, we will open ourselves up to lawsuits" I have heard that from her for a year and a half now. All I have heard since I got on the board was what we couldn't do and why. But we have done many things- towed seven abandoned vehicles, sued a homeowner and obtained a final judgement of 20k, gotten two properties into compliance wit city code- one that the association had beeen dealing with since 2001!

There are four of us on the five-member BoD (until next month, when one cycles off and I have found two who have agreed to run) and the other three seem to blow off the docs and state statute. Very frustrating. My response is always the same- "Well, we can try to change the docs if you want, but right now, this is what they say, so this is what we will do." Uh......excuse me....NO!

Sorry for the vent- I feel as though I have found a lifeline on this site. I really appreciate all of the responses- even Brian's- LOL! I do what Brian has suggested in my mind when I am nearing the end of my rope!
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Actually Karen,
Brian is not that far off. The Association has to establish what they will maintain in landscaping -FROM THE DOCUMENTS. Everything else is either cared for by the owners OR rip it out. All owners must be informed, show them the written docs and enforce to maintain all that the owners have planted.

Now, I do not mean flower beds within the perimeter of the units but trees that have mysterily shown up and major items. My villa association tagged every tree that was not association responsibility to care for and the landscapers knew which or which not to touch. Owners got letters to maintain and when they failed, they got bills from our landscapers for trimming and other additional work. That seemed to be the lesser of the evils, rather than require items to be torn out. Wishy washy will not work. Take a stand but do it with confidence and not bullying.
KarenS11 (Florida)
Posts: 148
Posted:
It was more Brian's style that I was referring to! It's been kinda a running joke since I got on the board that there is a new sheriff in town. Been called a #*@ing nazi %#$@, the gestapo.

One of my favorite things to say when folks have pounded on my door complaining about a towed vehicle or notice about having Christmas lights up in March is to listen to them and let them vent. Then I ask them to review the C & Rs and by-laws, highlight the areas that they feel they should not have to comply with and at the next board meeting, they can request an exemption from the rules that everyone else must follow. (teh, heh.....)

Now that we have committees being established and a good management company, the target shouldn't be on my back any more. It's just difficult when docs have been ignored for years and all of a sudden they are being enforced or to have to try to "convince" the other board members not to pick and choose which areas to enforce. Fortunately our annual meeting is this month and two new folks will be on the board.

DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Karen,
You have to have a sense of humor to be on a Board and to be a good Board member. It sounds like you are really getting the concept of doing it with humor. Good Job Girl!!. Yes, sharing the load will save you from blowing your brains out and designation of duties is that answer. These associations where enforcement of the CC&Rs has never been done or at least not done well, gives people like you and me and many of our other regulars here, a major hurdle to cross. But we just keep plugging along and eventually the message gets delivered. Keep up your good work.

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