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DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

This is going to be a new situation that HOAs, especially in the warm, tourit type communities, are going to deal with. This is the 3rd such ruling in Florida recently, another one being in Key West. I thought that some of our Board members might need to be made aware of this ruling.

SARASOTA, FL: March 19, 2008 — The rights of Venice property owners to lease out their homes for short-term rentals was upheld on Monday by the 12th Judicial Circuit Court, invalidating the Venice City Council’s ruling limiting home rentals to three per year.
“This is a clear victory for property owners everywhere,” said Valerie Fernandez, managing attorney with the Pacific Legal Foundation, a non-profit, public-interest legal organization which assisted in the case. “The court ruled unambiguously that, when governments seek to take property or even a portion of someone’s property, the owners must be justly compensated under the 5th Amendment,” she added.

In August of 2006, Tom Slaughter, the city’s planning and zoning director, declared that houses in single-family residential neighborhoods could not be rented for 30 days or less in excess of three times per year. Stephen Milo, owner of more than a dozen homes in Venice, appealed Slaughter’s ruling to the planning and zoning Commission. In May 2007, the commission agreed with Milo and invalidated the ruling. The decision was appealed to the city council.

In December 2007, the city council overturned the planning and zoning commission, upholding Slaughter’s decision to limit home rentals. At that time Mayor Ed Martin said, “The owners can accept that fact or go to court.”

“The mayor and the city council told us we go had to go to court, and that’s exactly what we did,” said Milo’s attorney, Rick Rumrell of Rumrell, Costabel, Warrington and Brock of Jacksonville. “The homeowners were able to come away with a significant victory for protection of their property rights. In fact, the court did exactly what the unanimous decision of the planning and zoning commission did -- reversed the erroneous opinion of the planning and zoning director,” he added.

The court’s order, written by Circuit Judge Robert Bennett, Jr., states “the court finds that the City Council’s Decision entered on December 13, 2007 is clearly erroneous. The City went outside of the essential requirements of the law by reversing the Planning Commission’s Decision and placing limitations on the duration and frequency of the rental of the Petitioners’ real property in the RSF Zoning District.”

The City had contended that short-term rentals are a business and, thus, not a permitted use of property zoned as residential single-family (RSF). However, the court noted, “Indeed, many rental properties, regardless of the rental term, are for-profit ventures and could therefore be characterized as ‘businesses’.” The decision went on to clarify that temporary residences, without limitations, are expressly allowed under City Code 86-81(a). “Property owners are entitled to rely upon the clear and unequivocal language of municipal ordinances. It is not possible for a property owner to anticipate that, for the purposes of the LDC [land development code], it would be necessary to look under Chapter 509 of the Florida Statutes, a chapter dealing with licensing and inspection of public lodging establishments, especially because there is no cross reference to Florida Statutes in the LDC,” stated the court order quashing the city council’s decision.

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
this is interesting... the court says that the rental of homes is a business, but because the city codes don't cross reference the state codes at that point, they can't be enforced.

First, i see a cross reference change coming to city codes soon in those cities.

Second, how does this really affect HOAs? Renting of the home is considered a business, and I know many HOA's have clauses that prohibit any business being run from the home. Can HOA's use this to deny rentals?
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Brian,
That is why I posted it. There will be arguements for both sides--business or just living situations. Renting my unit out on an annual lease is what I do-- a business. My association also has "no business may be conducted from any unit" but we are allowed annual leases. ????? Go Figure!
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i always hated that "no business may be run from the home" clause, it's in almost every HOA rule book, and it is always enforced selectively, or not enforced at all.

EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
There are Supreme Court Rulings on this topic. To prevent any
type of rentals is a taking of property rights. UNLESS, you are in a
condo/coop which is subject to FHA Rules. Guidelines can then allow
a percentage of rental units (not to exceed) in order to protect the
mortgage values. They still can not limit monthly, weekly, yearly in
an attempt to classify rental as a business.
Edie
CarolF (Florida)
Posts: 435
Posted:
Edie - are you referencing VA Supreme Court?
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
i guess i have to ask, but isn't telling me i can't park more than two cars in a driveway taking away my property rights then? Isn't telling me i can't plant a cactus in my yard taking away my property rights? Or telling me i have only four colors to paint my home, two choices for windows, and that my curtains must be a certain color all taking away my property rights?

I kind of thought the entire "living in an HOA" was one more step in the reduction of "my property rights". You give up some rights every time you make a choice: to live in a particular state, to live in a county, to live in a city, to live in a neighborhood, to live in an HOA...every decision you make requires that you give up certain rights, for the opportunity to live there.

RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
An observation,
In condos in SC your ownership is described as an apportioned right of the total value of the property, even though you acquire a deed to a specific "apartment." BUT, here is how "Apartments" are defined." "Apartments consist of a right to a specififed space, (then with out severing the description continues to go on) any common property, limited comment property, all buildings, land, and anything else that constitutes the Real Property". Therefore your unseverable ownership is a piece of the whole. You do not own your unit and a piece of the whole, your unit is actually a part of the whole that you own.

I read this stuff a hundred times and the word "Apartment" never gave me pause and I neglected to look at the definitions. I felt I knew that a condo owner only owed the right to live in his unit (apartment) and to buy and sell that right, and did not fully understand when you sell or buy you are transferring in one piece the apportioned ownership of the whole that includes your "{Apartment, unit), whatever you call it.

This legal discription written in the Condo Act of SC is a different animal than a private home where you own the land. This appears to me to enforce the restrictions imposed on your property and would allow the BOD (under direction of the council (members), to restrict renting if they saw fit. Really then this private ownership that we brag about being sacred in this country, don't apply to condos in SC. This may seem confusing at first, but once you get your mind around it all, it makes perfect sense. I conclude a condo owner ONLY owns a piece of the pie that so happens to include the space he lives in. Make sense to anyone.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Robert,

I don't think it's only that way in SC. I think condos everywhere are the same; of course I may be mistaken and I hope someone here will enlighten me.

It's been my opinion that the outer shell of the condo, including the roof, is owned by the assn. The patio is generally defined as a limited common area. The grounds around the unit are common areas. Condo owners own a portion of the commn areas. In a planned community, the owner owns the whole unit including the grounds that surround his property. The assn only owns the common areas.

Mary
EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
CarolF and BrianB
Carol, actually the reference I was making, I believe was
a Fla. Supreme Ct.
Brian, When referring to property rights, those are the
seven rights given to all under a Deed. The right of quiet enjoyment,
the right of privacy, the right of use, etc.
What color you paint your house or what type of landscaping you plant
does not effect your legal rights. These are restrictive covenants in
certain communities and if a person does not like them they don't have
to buy there.
Edie
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
Quote:
Posted By EdieL on 03/31/2008 3:58 PM
CarolF and BrianB
Carol, actually the reference I was making, I believe was
a Fla. Supreme Ct.
Brian, When referring to property rights, those are the
seven rights given to all under a Deed. The right of quiet enjoyment,
the right of privacy, the right of use, etc.
What color you paint your house or what type of landscaping you plant
does not effect your legal rights. These are restrictive covenants in
certain communities and if a person does not like them they don't have
to buy there.
Edie

thanks Edie.. i have never heard of those seven rights, so this is new to me. Can you list all of them for me, just so i have them? Where do they come from? The state? Who grants them?

This is very interesting for me, an entirely new line of knowledge!

MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
The 7 rights Edie refers to may, or may not, apply if living in an HOA community. Our "rights" are determined by the CCRs which are restrictive covenants (running with the land). When we purchase property in such a deed restricted community we agree to give up certain rights, legally speaking that is.
DJ1 (Ontario)
Posts: 798
Posted:
I guess HOA's have a choice. Allow people to rent them out or have the owners default with foreclosures/plumetting house values/failure to pay HOA fees. I'd take the rental option at least temporarily!
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
MaryA,
Of course my post was made to call attention to the fact that few owners in a condo or HOA have a good grasp of their governing documents. The right of an owner in a condo is tied tightly to his his interest in the common properties (also limited). Most people feel this right allows them to do what the want with their property but they fail to understand their right is not separate from their ownership in a piece of the whole. They cannot sell their unit without without their interest in the condo, nor can they do this in a Mandatory HOA.

Regards covenants. Not all covenants are protected from being changed by associations. With proper procedures you can change the rules about renting or not renting. You can change certain requirements in covenants such as % for quorum. You can not change the State Laws or Statutes, but a lot can be changed so when you say you have to live by the covenants when you buy into a Association that is not true, you can change the covenants and it happens all the time and from where I sit, it happens a lot for personal gain or agenda. One of the most significant improvements that could be made for associations is for the Board to be educated in the complexity of the documents. Some management personnel of the associations do a good job of advising the Board, some don't, and many times this is the root of bad trouble. This will not happen so that means that people like the people that post on this site and others are critical to hold the line between order and disorder and honesty and dishonesty. IMHO
EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
BrainB
Oh My! your asking me to remember real estate 101. After 30 years of
real estate brokerage, let's see. Seven Rights of a General Warrenty Deed
The right of possession
The right of Quiet Enjoymemt
The right of control & use
The right to benefit (rent)
The right to transfer
The right to exclude others
I only recall 6. Guess I need to go back to school for a
refresher course!! (smile)
Edie

BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
thanks Edie...

are these rights given by law (State or Fed), or are they marketing rights dreamed up by an ad campaign?
If by law, wouldn't the right to control always be taken away by most HOA's, since your right to choose a paint color, landscape scheme, park your car, leave your boat, put up a treehouse, etc. be out of your control (in various forms, in various HOA's). If these are inalienable rights, how to HOA's exist? If they aren't, how is losing your right to rent any different a violation of your property rights than losing your right to paint your house orange?

EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
BrianB
There are different deeds. A general warrenty deed is the highest form
of property rights being transfered. Your seven rights are universal also
known as common law ( Federal Rights) A general warrenty Deed can also have
language referring to the recorded covenants running with the land if in an
HOA. Anything recorded in the Court House pertaining to the property being
purchased can be included in the Deed of transfer. If you purchase a property
in a community subject to HOA Covenants, then you have to abide to those rules
(note I said rules not laws) Covenants cannot override LAWS. EXAMPLE:
A HOA Covenant can state "No American Flags allowed in yards" The Federal/State Laws
allow all people to display the American Flag. Therefore the HOA Covenant is illegal.
However, while the HOA cannot prevent the Flag they can under their HOA covenants
give the guidelines on height, placement etc. of how an owner can display the flag
in their yard. Hope this is helpful to you understanding.
Edie
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Edie,
Our MD calls for all property to be by General Warranty Deed. A condo with 65 units in SC. Couple of questions?
a) When the deed is registered at the court house it carries the Membership in The Horizontal Property Act of SC. How about all these rider that have been attached to the deed. A condo rider, a second home rider for condo's which requires residency qualifications and rental restrictions, and a couple more I forgot. Do these riders become part of the General Warranty Deed or do they change the Warranty Deed. When all this Real Estate Bubble was roaring people got all kinds of exotic loans, and as soon as the qualified the condo as a second home, thus getting a better rate, they immediately put the plave on the rental market for short term rentals in this resort area. This has happened all up and down the East Coast. My feeling is; this may somehow negate the unit involved from actually being a full rights member of the Association. Of course to start with I am not sure there is any effort to assertain all deeds are general Warranty but I just assume that the Regime verifies each deed. Got any comments on this kind of condition.

b) Is it the Boards interest how anyone gets a Moprtgage as far as conditions of the Mortgage. We also have a requirement that anytime a change occurs in any Mortgage that involves the deed or any conditions as listed in the property registration, the Board has to be notified. Our board would respond to these questions with a shug or if you pressed they may get our lawyers oral response, at least that seems to be what they do.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
thanks edie.. that helps. my last question:

how is losing your right to rent (if you move into an HOA that says "no rentals") a violation of your property rights, when losing your right to paint your house orange when you move into an HOA that says "No orange houses" is not a violation of your property rights?

Aren't they both a violation of your right to enjoyment and control? Why is one a violation, and the other not?
EdieL (Virginia)
Posts: 86
Posted:
BrianB
You can't lose your right to rent!! However the HOA can through
their covenants impose Rules of Rentals. Such as: posting a bond for
tenants compliance of the covenants, damage by tenants to
private roads, etc. You related this to Rentals verses painting your house.
HOA can not prevent your from painting your house but through the covenants
they can have the rules of what colors you may use. In other words, the HOA
Covenants can not take away your rights but they can through recorded covenants
have rules of how you apply your rights. As a real estate Broker/Developer I
always say that Covenants are placed to protect the owners property value not to
restrict the property owner. We all have the choice of NOT Buying in a Community
with Covenants attached. Only when the covenants conflict with any federal/state laws
do you, as an individual property owner in that community, have a legal case to
challange the covenants and HOA.
Edie
RobertR1 (South Carolina)
Posts: 5,164
Posted:
Edie,
Please comment.

With regard to losing your right to rent. The courts in several states have uphelp the right of associations to not allow renting in HOA and Condos. Some are complete bans, some restricted to a certain % of property. FHA will not or tends to not approve loans in condos that are over 30 % rentals, and some condos have imposed restrictions because of this requirement. Also in Condos, you have a deed that not only (stated or not) discribes your unit but also includes your % in the Real Property. When you sell you sell your space and the % of the real property, they are not partitioned. Lots of Florida Condo do not allow any renting of any kind, all high end stuiff but it is lawful. Also, you can sue for Criminalo conduct of Board members.
BrianB (California)
Posts: 2,820
Posted:
thanks edie.. you threaded the needle for me perfectly, and i see now what I was missing before.

My rights are still granted, just limited. Limited is "okay" if i accept it and buy into an HOA, but complete removal of the basic rights is not allowable (or maybe is, see the comments above mine about florida laws).

but you answered my questions, thanks!

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