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MagdaS (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
I am on the Board of our Residents Group (as different from the HOA). Our Group was initiated about 4 years after the start of the development due to the total lack af response to resident inquiries by the developer controlled HOA. We consider ourselves the true representatives of the residents and so far have been able to get certain things taken care of.

Now an item has come up of which I, and I assume the rest of our Board, were totally unaware of.

When the community first started we had to pay a so-called "Capital Contribution" of $350.00 per unit as seed money for the association. We were all under the impression that only the original purchasors of the home had to pay that.

Just a little while ago a new resident who bought a re-sale told me about the fact that both she and the prior purchasor (a flipper) had to pay this capital contribution. Minutes ago another buyer called me about that.

I question the legality of this requirement by the HOA. Does anyone out there know of a similar case?

The Board of our Group is willing to go to bat for our residents but does not want to make enemies for something that might be perfectly legal if slightly unethical.
MaryA1 (Arizona)
Posts: 7,043
Posted:
Magda,

I agree this practice is unethical. Many assn's here in AZ require this; there is no state law here forbidding it -- don't know about FL. I would suggest thoroughly researching your gov. docs. to see if the requirement is for all purchasers -- not just those who originally bought from the developer. I know of many assn's who do this and it's not in the CCRs -- it's just a board adopted rule! These monies are deposited into the assn's reserve fund and used for long-term maint.

Mary
AZ
MagdaS (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
Thanks, MaryA.
I will research our cc&rs. We also do not know just where this monies are going.
More research due.
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
MagdaS - My Public Offering Statement (POS) states a non-refundable working capital contribution to the Association upon the purchase of a home from the Developer, which fee may be used for working capital; including but not limited to cash flow deficits of the Association or any other lawful purpose. Governing documents go on to state the Association assumes all the rights the Developer had so after homes are closed the Association can continue the practice of a one-time fee after every home is closed. This fee is for the benefit of the Association, only fair because everyone that originally purchased had to pay it and it was used to fund and basically build the community that the new owners are to enjoy. I fail to see how this is unethical, especially if your governing documents permit it and there's no state law that prohibits it.
SusanW1 (Michigan)
Posts: 5,202
Posted:
Magda,
I am curious about your Residents' Group.
Did you mean you are separate from the HOA?
How are you set up?
Does the HOA had a board? Who is on it?
Do they recognize your group?
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
SusanW1 - Yes, curious as well about what seems to, and can at this point, be characterized as a splinter group from the Association BOD. Especially one initiated 4 years after the start of the Development, and as they consider themselves the "true representatives of the residents" and so far have been able to "get certain things taken care of". Without trying to sound too skeptical, curious if the beverage of choice is Kool Aid? Don't get me wrong, all for the voice and necessity of the majority. However, seems to me that the members of this "Board" would be better served to run for office of the incorporated and truly established Association BOD. That is as the Developer seats open (transitioned) as the community is constructed.

MagdaS - Sure there are countless drama filled stories here, how the "Man", or Developer in this case, done, or is doing y'all wrong. But traditionally, as most of us here can probably attest, an Association has a Board that initially consists of Developer representatives until the owners are elected by the owners. The Developer often will low-ball the budgets, construct things in accordance with a set of pre-approved plans in conjunction with the local municipality, hopefully to the letter. Those interested in volunteering to assist their neighbors try to work with, not against the Board members, and Developer. The tricky part is how to accomplish progress before and after the Developer that is in the best interests of the owners investments without causing faction, rumor, and hostility.
MagdaS (Florida)
Posts: 32
Posted:
Sorry, good people. I should have been more precise.
The residents group is a Florida non-profit corporation and we are working with the Board of the developer controlled HOA. It's just better to have numbers behind your requests. The HOA Board are all employees of the developer and naturally look out for those interests. In spite of numerous requests by the residents (560 of 973 lots) we still do not have a member on that board. It's ridiculous because even if we get 2 seats on the board the remaining 3 would outvote us every time.
I am in the process of researching our cc&r and Florida law.
By the way, we still didn't get an answer as to where thos "capital contributions" go.
But I thank you all for your answers.
TimH1 (Alabama)
Posts: 17
Posted:
I'm just curious why the developer was involved in a home resale thru a private Realtor at all? "Annual Dues" likely would have been paid up front and pro-rated at closing; seems the developer cut himself an extra slice of pie at closing.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Magda,

Please relook at the beginning of your Articles of Inc to see that you are or should be a "FLORIDA NOT FOR PROFIT CORP" not a non profit corp. State Statutes require HOAs to be "NOT FOR PROFIT" So many people do not get this right and it is HUGE when it comes to filing your taxes. The State and Federal govt. also reccognizes the difference in tax ramifications.
DonnaS (Tennessee)
Posts: 5,671
Posted:

Magda,
Those capital contributions are something that Developers had started to charge each home sale to recap some of their impact fees that the State and County have billed them for. It also may cover some of the infrastructure costs as well. Building in Florida is somewhat different that many other States. The environmental impact is very costly to Developers. Remember shutting down a new community for 6 months while they removed some endangered turtles? You know all of those extra premium lots on the lakes? (Drainage systems that are then governed by the County environmenal Departments) He has to care for Preserve areas which are County monitored. So what I am saying is that there is so much more than the general public is aware of.

It sounds like you have NOT had turnover from the Developer by the description of your Board being made up of Developer appointed members, etc. If you have not had a formal turnover, then these are things that you have to deal with until he so choses to relinquish control. Some of these guys are easy to work with and others are just plain boogers.

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