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DavidS25 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I own a lot and sit on the HOA board in a new subdivision of almost 100 parcels. There is only 1 house that has been erected, with only 2 more underway. The covenants state that the ARC should consider whether any new submission would have 'negative economic impact on any other lot within the subdivision'. Also, they speak of being 'architecturally compatible' Beyond that, there are very few restrictions (no mobile homes, etc.) These are very vague phrases. Is there anywhere I can go to get a better definition of the terms? Any precedence?
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DavidS25 - Who appointed you to the Board, how many other Board seats are there? Is your house the 1 that has been erected, or one of the 2 underway? How many of the other lots are owned? Typically the Developer, or its representatives, is the Board until a certain percentage of homes are closed and the owner elected Board govern. I admit, "negative impact", and "compatible" are very vague, or subjective. However, it seems written that way so the Developer can exercise it's discretion. If the terms are vague they are written that way to protect and give room to the Developer.

What do the actual covenants state as far as restrictions. Those must be followed, and it's important the Developer not compromise the covenants to entice buyers. If that occurs, which it really should not, than the Developer should amend, and re-file the covenants with the county clerk, or county registrar's office, to include any modifications it permits IF that can be done at all. Big IF. This way, everyone will be on the same page of do's and don'ts and the owner elected Board won't be dealing with more of a problem when it takes over.

Sounds like the opportunity is yours and the Developer to make the terms less vague. Are there a set of plans for each home to be built, color schemes, landscaping, etc.? Or will each lot owner have to provide it's own architectural plans for approval. I'd check with your borough's building and code department, and local ordinances for the restrictions in the rest of your borough. The HOA has to follow no less than that precedent in addition to it's own set of covenants.
DavidS25 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks for the reply. I understand what you are saying - but it's not a problem with the developer. All the lots were sold, and the control passed to the board, 5 years ago. I was nominated at the last homeowners meeting, and voted in by a majority of the members (actually, all present). There are a total of 8 people on the board, including the secretary and treasurer. There are 5 on the ARC, including one who is also a member of the board and 4 who are spouses of board members.

I am, and have been for almost a year, trying to start building a house that has a construction cost of almost half a million. Full blueprints, plot plans, etc. were submitted to the ARC (and I have all state and local permits to proceed). The construction cost is almost identical to that of the one existing house, and also very much in line with line of the other 2 under construction (I have discussed it with them). I have also shown the plans to all my immediate future neighbors, who have no problems with the house. The issue, I think (and this has never been documented) is that it is a log house.

The restrictions are: 1400 sq. ft or better (my design is 2100 sq ft) and no trailers or double-wide/manufactured homes. Nothing else, other than the 2 vague phrases, except for limits to the footprint as required by DWQ and CAMA regulations. According to the denial letter, the 'negative economic impact' is the reason I am being blocked. The ARC can, according to the covenants, promulgate rules that the board must approve, and that has not happened. No other definitions for street appearance have been proposed to the board or approved by same. So it is wide open. At the last HOA meeting, the members asked that the 2 phrases be defined, and the ARC has not done that.

My plans were in front of the ARC for 3 months, without any word until I was ready to build, and then I was blocked. I had also tried to discuss it with them for over 6 months, but the committee members would not respond. This has caused me to commit almost $50K, knowing I met all restrictions and having no word, assuming I was good to go.

But the issue is well beyond my personal case - it is how to spell this out better for the other 90+ people who will be building in the future, so they will not go through the pain I have. If the ARC will not provide definitions, I feel the board must, to do the oversight it is required to do. So I'm looking to see if these terms have been defined by other HOAs.
PaulM (Pennsylvania)
Posts: 1,347
Posted:
DavidS25: This is a different type of association than what the norm is when
the developer also builds the units. In your case, you are stating the developer sold the lots/parcels and in 5 years, only one owner has had their unit built.

What do your documents state regarding unit plans and aesthetic design and use of external materials? Do you actually have official CC&Rs with specific requirements for the homes?

Suggest you speak to your local officials (municipality/township/district) to learn what their official understanding is of the units to be built in this community. Though there is only one unit built presently, there are 99 more to be built. Certainly, with owners' intent and plans for homes to be constructed, the locals will have to be brought into the construction at some point. Better you clear this up before you start building your dream home!

GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
DavidS25,

Thanks for your 2nd post. You originally stated you are a "new subdivision" and in your 2nd post you clarified control passed to the Board 5 years ago. Not exactly new. 8 People on the Board? What would your BOD do if the Board vote was 4 to 4? Hmmm....

The detail you provided in your 2nd post explains things in a very different light. One of the things that I find interesting is that 5 years passed and only 1 home out of 100 lots been erected. Be that as it may, it seems that your log home will be in contrast to the style of the other homes in your development. Your neighbors may believe the style if fine but if the covenants permit the HOA Board and ARC to say otherwise, the opinion of the neighbors is meaningless. Unless of course the owners petition and amend the governing documents to stipulate different covenants. That probably requires a 2/3rd's or more vote out of the 100 lot owners. Go to town on that one.

Anyway, you got a denial because of the "economic impact" your home design will have on the development. Obviously they are looking for a home that is similar to the one that is already erected, and in lines with the aesthetic they want for the other 90+ lots. A log home is obviously not what they are looking for, but who knows there real reason. Doesn't sound like they are entirely sure themselves. A log home in my colonial style home subdivision/development would be in contrast to the setting. If your development is heavily wooded, or more of a natural setting than a log home may be a fit. A log home may also be a fit if your lots are very big, and the eventual landscape may shield the view from one lot to the next and provide each lot with the opportunity to create distinct/unique homes from each other. That of course would require some vision and tolerance until the community matures.

Are there other log homes in your surrounding area?

Since you are on the Board why dont you make a motion to discuss, or speak with the Pres. and Board to add the approval process time-frame and requirements of ARC to the agenda. Since the terms are not clearly defined the main purpose should be to get everyone to define the terms of street appearance for the entire community. Take that approach and maybe you'll get somewhere.

If you hit a dead end on the matter than you will have to take the bull by the horns and raise the topic at the next mtg of the Board yourself.
DavidS25 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
Thanks for the replies. This helps. It looks as if you all are saying what I'm already trying to do, so to see the same advice gives me at least moral support!

The subdivision is definitely rural - e. NC coastal. Half hour from the nearest small town. The lots were basically bought as 2nd or retirement homes, so people are either holding them for future development or as investment properties. That explains the slow development.

Lot sizes are from 1 to 8 acres, so my blocking someone else is not a problem. I've checked with my neighbors for that anyway. And it's all woods. It would be difficult even to see my house from the main road, as it is >600 feet from its own cul-de-sac. There are several log homes in the vicinity (but obviously none yet in this subdivision). In fact, that's how my wife and decided to do this - we drove around and saw that log homes were a common style in the area and liked it, so we checked the covenants, saw there were no reasons a log home could not be built, and bought the property.

Sorry about the double negative.

And there are no CCR's. I've asked to have a meeting to propose that they be generated, and am calling other board members to get a second, etc. I've also generated a full list of e-mails and will try and get 2/3 of the members to speak up if I can, but apathy will likely reign. That's why this blog is so helpful. It's already supplied good examples I can offer if none come forward from the ARC. And I'm hoping someone here can also can show me in their CCR's a more definitive definition of negative impact.

Seems to me that if there are no defined rules, then there is no basis for my denial. Does that make sense?
GeraldT4
Posts: 1,022
Posted:
Hi DavidS25 - There are CC&R's, at least according to your 1st post. You stated, "The covenants state that the ARC should consider whether any new submission would have 'negative economic impact on any other lot within the subdivision'. Also, they speak of being 'architecturally compatible' Beyond that, there are very few restrictions (no mobile homes, etc.)". Lord knows the basis for your denial, especially given that there are log homes in the vicinity. Thank you for clarifying that. Perhaps some are denying because you need to make a "donation", so to speak?

In my HOA if an owner wants to expand their home, a hearing is scheduled for the borough to discuss granting the modification and a notice is sent to all those within 200 feet for them or their attorney to attend and object. If they don't show up, they don't object. Maybe within that type of process you can speed the plow? But you have been denied so it seems it's back to the drawing Board. As Paul told you, your association is different, so not sure if you'll find anyone with wording that defines negative impact. I would think it would mean a modification or construction that will not improve, or will have an adverse affect upon the value of the development.
HaroldS (Arizona)
Posts: 906
Posted:
Is there a time limit in your CC&Rs on ARC approval? You state they have sat on it for three months. Most I've read have a spelled out timely response requirement or else it is approved by default.
DavidS25 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
I like your idea of notifying, and if they don't show (or respond), they have no issue. Thanks. I'll try it.

And yes, my bad - there are CCR's. I was thinking of the CCR being a well defined set of criteria. Ours is only the minimum standard, but that is still a CCR. You're right.

Thanks a lot for the comments.

DAVE
DavidS25 (North Carolina)
Posts: 5
Posted:
No, there is no time limit, and that is part of the problem. We need to establish one, so I intend to make that motion at the next BOD meeting. Being held hostage to time is expensive.

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